[Openid-specs-ab] client_credentials grant_type

Justin Richer jricher at mitre.org
Tue Sep 18 14:31:33 UTC 2012

If you want to get and edit per-user information and specify who you're 
talking about explicitly, don't use the userinfo endpoint.

Instead, use SCIM, or something like it. It already has mechanisms to do 
different kinds of queries and filters for users, as part of the request 
parameter set, and is a much better fit for this type of situation.

So long as you back the user information by the same data repositories, 
clients should be able to make use of both endpoints with no problems.

  -- Justin

On 09/17/2012 01:27 PM, Dale Olds wrote:
> If I understand the original use case, a client wants to get claims 
> about a specific subject, but does not have the subject's access token 
> with scope openid, etc. Therefore, it is natural to use a client 
> credentials grant, but the client just needs a way to specify the 
> subject to the /userinfo endpoint.
> We see this pattern quite frequently, but we did not extend the 
> /userinfo for per-subject client use. It would be hard to predict all 
> the ways in which a client application may want to get information 
> about users and potentially modify the user info. Some applications 
> need a small bit of info about the user, some start off that way and 
> then turn into are rather substantial user account management apps. So 
> the usual pattern for our system is to use client credentials grant 
> and the scim protocol for info regarding other subjects (uses), and 
> Connect for authentication/userinfo stuff.
> I'd like to support Connect as much possible, but I guess the question 
> is purpose of the protocol. If a client wants to get information about 
> a user for which it does not have a token (i.e. it is not operating on 
> behalf of that user), then I would think it's making a directory 
> service request.
> --Dale
> On 09/17/2012 06:49 AM, John Bradley wrote:
>> In some ways it is standard OAuth , but standard OAuth doesn't 
>> specify how identify the subject , request claims or retrieve the 
>> result.
>> You could do all of that from scratch, but it may be useful to use 
>> what already exists in Connect.   That could be done as part of 
>> Connect or a separate spec that profiles Connect.
>> John B.
>> On 2012-09-17, at 2:30 AM, Torsten Lodderstedt 
>> <torsten at lodderstedt.net <mailto:torsten at lodderstedt.net>> wrote:
>>> Hi John,
>>> ressource owner password credential grant makes definitely sense in 
>>> my opinion. I'm not sure for client credentials, esp. w/o id_token, 
>>> as this boils down to standard OAuth to get access to the user info 
>>> endpoint.
>>> Regards,
>>> Torsten.
>>> John Bradley <ve7jtb at ve7jtb.com <mailto:ve7jtb at ve7jtb.com>> schrieb:
>>>     Last week I had several conversations with FICAM people around OAuth and Connect.
>>>     One thing that they do and is also not uncommon in enterprises is permission access based on client credentials.
>>>     Think SAML Attribute query.
>>>     We do have that in OAuth 2.0.
>>>     One thing we don't say in Connect is how to support that grant_type.
>>>     It seems fairly strait forward that you would have a scope of openid and any other user_info related scopes, that nonce and state are not required.
>>>     Returning a id_token probably doesn't make sense.
>>>     To specify the user who is the subject we already have a way of passing the required user_id in the request object.
>>>     I can see this being useful to compliment or replace a SAML/SOAP flow.
>>>     We don't specifically talk about this or the Resource owner Password credentials Grant.
>>>     As
>>>     long as we don't do something in the core specs to preclude them we could put them in a separate profile as they are sort of special case.
>>>     John B.
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