[Openid-specs-ab] Should we put self-issued into the Messages or should we create a separate document?

Mike Jones Michael.Jones at microsoft.com
Fri May 18 16:16:47 UTC 2012

This should be in Messages for sure.  The whole point of including it now is that it is standard functionality - not optional functionality.  We need to treat it that way editorially, which means putting it in the main specs - not in a separate spec.  If it's separate, that greatly increases the chances of some developers ignoring it.

Then we'd end up in a situation where it sometimes works and sometimes doesn't and so people don't use it in practice.  The worst of both worlds.  (Sort of like how i-names ended up in a sometimes-implemented situation for OpenID 2.0, rendering them pretty useless in practice.)

Responding to Justin's point about static infrastructure, I believe that the way we're going to specify it will require no static infrastructure.  Actually, it make is the protocol *more* distributed, as it removes the dependence upon third party IdPs.

                                                                -- Mike

From: openid-specs-ab-bounces at lists.openid.net [mailto:openid-specs-ab-bounces at lists.openid.net] On Behalf Of Justin Richer
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 8:17 AM
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Subject: Re: [Openid-specs-ab] Should we put self-issued into the Messages or should we create a separate document?

In my opinion, it's too much of a bolt-on bit of functionality to add it to the core spec. It also presumes a few pieces of static infrastructure to be in place in order to function, and I'm not comfortable with a distributed protocol doing that in the first place.

 -- Justin

On 05/17/2012 05:29 PM, Nat Sakimura wrote:
We have self-issued OP documented at https://bitbucket.org/openid/connect/issue/566/messages-standard-define-self-issued-op .
We have built the code that works.

We decided not to create Userinfo token, but decided to include them in the id_token.
Registration overlay still have not reached the consensus.

Having said that, we should now consider where we are going to put these in.
In Messages?
Or a separate spec?

Please discuss.

Nat Sakimura (=nat)
Chairman, OpenID Foundation


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