Troy, regarding the white paper, this paragraph may be the main resume text...?:<br><br>Text from this thread by Johannes:<br>"A famous study said there might be up to 98,000 avoidable deaths from<br>medical errors in the US per year alone. (That's more than twice as
<br>many as traffic deaths) Lack of information where and when it is the<br>primary reason for those medical errors..."<br><br>And I agree with you on what you wrote:<br><br><span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;">
I suppose you start by assuming that whatever method you use to protect</span><br style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;">medical records *will* be broken, and then you convince people that
</span><br style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;">having some organized crime group in another country get their medical</span><br style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;">
<span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;">records is worth the benefits of having their life be saved by the</span><br style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;">
medical professionals having access.<br><br></span><span style="text-decoration: underline; font-style: italic;">The same idea is also good for other applications...<br><br><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-style: italic;">
</span></span><br></span><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 2/10/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Troy Benjegerdes</b> <<a href="mailto:hozer@hozed.org">hozer@hozed.org</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I think you should probably start by quantifying the risk of dieing<br>because of lack of lack of access to medical records. If you can write a<br>whitepaper documenting how likely someone is to die because of lack of<br>
access to records, then you have something to convince individual<br>patients to put their electronic records in control of an ibroker.<br><br>The big risk with doing this electronically is that one hacker (or<br>organized crime group funding hackers) can break the protocol and then
<br>get *everyone*'s medical records. The case of stealing someone's records<br>by non-digital is definitely possible, but you only get one person's records.<br>If there is an exploitable security hole in the ibroker's web site, or
<br>in the protocol itself, everyone's records could be disclosed. This risk<br>can't be quantified unless you start talking about formal methods<br>verificiation of the protocol, and all the software the ibroker runs.
<br>Now we're back into astronomical costs again ;)<br><br>I suppose you start by assuming that whatever method you use to protect<br>medical records *will* be broken, and then you convince people that<br>having some organized crime group in another country get their medical
<br>records is worth the benefits of having their life be saved by the<br>medical professionals having access.<br><br>On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 02:53:16PM -0600, Jaco Aizenman wrote:<br>> How about giving all the liability problems to a third party? (answer me to
<br>> my email please)<br>><br>> I mean, the owner of the iBroker can be a local CR company,<br>> <a href="http://www.labstein.com/">http://www.labstein.com/</a> , and not your company.<br>><br>> BTW, today if someone really wants it, most probably can get a medical
<br>> info/record, using also non digital means (with the "help" of clerks working<br>> on hospitals for example...). But most probably today a doctor can not get<br>> all your medical record, and many times this mean dead or serious problems
<br>> if the person survives....<br>><br>> It is incredible to find out that more poeple die for this reasons than for<br>> car accidents!.<br>><br>> On 2/9/07, Troy Benjegerdes <<a href="mailto:hozer@hozed.org">
hozer@hozed.org</a>> wrote:<br>> ><br>> >On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 11:17:38AM -0600, Jaco Aizenman wrote:<br>> >> Jon, in emergency situations, in most countries, security forces will<br>> >get
<br>> >> all info needed to save the people. For all other cases the Supreme<br>> >Court<br>> >> and other?s, should protect the fundamental right of not having virtual<br>> >> personality (not letting others see your vp content, or contact you
<br>> >> without passing your presence choices).<br>> >><br>> >> Eric, my father is a Doctor in CR, and he and others I talked in the<br>> >health<br>> >> sector, want the best(*) content of the patient virtual personality,
<br>> >> available at all times, in all the places.<br>> ><br>> >Two words: Cost/benefit.<br>> ><br>> >Getting the 'best' patient information to everyone *that needs it*,<br>> >everywhere,
<br>> >at all times, *without* disclosing this information to unauthorized<br>> >persons<br>> >is either going to be horrendously expensive, or horrendously insecure<br>> >first then horrendously expensive in the resulting litigation from
<br>> >inevitable security breaches.<br>> ><br>> >How much are you willing to pay an iBroker to accept that liability? Who<br>> >is going to pay for it? If you have several hundred thousand to just get
<br>> >started documenting the security process, and then a few million to<br>> >implement it, then let's talk about this more.. But right now, I think<br>> >we need to see OpenID deployed for *low risk* information like online
<br>> >blogs first. If you feel you need to discuss this now, put a dollar<br>> >value on it.<br>> ><br>> >><br>> >> Some local CR actors in the health sector, including Government, want to
<br>> >> find an iBroker that can provide this service of projecting the medical<br>> >> record content,to the right people, at the right time, at the right<br>> >places.<br>> >><br>> >> (*) Just critical content for emergency situations, and the full patient
<br>> >> medical record for non emergency situations.<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> On 1/29/07, Jon Callas <<a href="mailto:jon@pgpeng.com">jon@pgpeng.com
</a>> wrote:<br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> >Discussions of this sort set off my own special form of paranoia.<br>> >> ><br>> >> >When I hear that we have to have identity information opened up so
<br>> >> >the EMTs can get them, I really hear that we need to do this so that<br>> >> >the security forces can get them when you're declared an enemy<br>> >> >combatant, or attend the wrong public gathering.
<br>> >> ><br>> >> > Jon<br>> >--<br>> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> >Troy Benjegerdes 'da hozer'
<a href="mailto:hozer@hozed.org">hozer@hozed.org</a><br>> ><br>> >Somone asked me why I work on this free (<a href="http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/">http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/</a>)<br>> >software stuff and not get a real job. Charles Shultz had the best answer:
<br>> ><br>> >"Why do musicians compose symphonies and poets write poems? They do it<br>> >because life wouldn't have any meaning for them if they didn't. That's why<br>> >I draw cartoons. It's my life." -- Charles Shultz
<br>> ><br>><br>><br>><br>> --<br>> Jaco Aizenman L.<br>> My iname is =jaco (<a href="http://xri.net/=jaco">http://xri.net/=jaco</a>)<br>> Founder - <a href="http://www.virtualrights.org">
www.virtualrights.org</a><br>> XDI Board member - <a href="http://www.xdi.org">www.xdi.org</a><br>> Tel/Voicemail: 506-3461570<br>> Costa Rica<br>><br>> What is an i-name?<br>> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-name">
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-name</a><br><br>--<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>Troy Benjegerdes 'da hozer' <a href="mailto:hozer@hozed.org">
hozer@hozed.org</a><br><br>Somone asked me why I work on this free (<a href="http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/">http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/</a>)<br>software stuff and not get a real job. Charles Shultz had the best answer:
<br><br>"Why do musicians compose symphonies and poets write poems? They do it<br>because life wouldn't have any meaning for them if they didn't. That's why<br>I draw cartoons. It's my life." -- Charles Shultz
<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Jaco Aizenman L.<br>My iname is =jaco (<a href="http://xri.net/=jaco">http://xri.net/=jaco</a>)<br>Founder - <a href="http://www.virtualrights.org">www.virtualrights.org
</a><br>XDI Board member - <a href="http://www.xdi.org">www.xdi.org</a><br>Tel/Voicemail: 506-3461570 <br>Costa Rica<br><br>What is an i-name?<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-name">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-name
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