[OpenID] Fwd: [OpenID board] Status of the OpenID Foundation Europe

David Recordon recordond at gmail.com
Wed Nov 25 16:48:36 UTC 2009


Hey Santosh,
That's not a useful reply.  Do you have actual logical arguments to why you
disagree with Chris?

Thanks,
--David

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Santosh Rajan <santrajan at gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Chris Messina <chris.messina at gmail.com>wrote:
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>> There are both structural as well as cultural issues here that cannot be
>> merely ignored, or tilted at with the expectation of change.
>>
>> While I'm sympathetic to the idea of "One OpenID Foundation", in practice,
>> geo-colocated groups tend to work together more in a more capable, agile
>> manner, and have the benefit of understand local politics, priorities, and
>> momentum.
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>> For example, while I won't suggest that the work being done with the US
>> Federal Government represents the final answer when it comes to any
>> government's adoption or use of the technology, I do think that the outcomes
>> represent a more American approach to identity management (i.e. outsource it
>> to private companies) than one that would, say, be popular in Europe.
>>
>> Therefore, in order to make progress, especially as this effort is still
>> young, I would be interested in seeing parallel developments or
>> implementations of the technology that reflect localized perspectives — in
>> order to flesh out the various use cases and applications and limitations of
>> what we have — rather than trying to assume that the OpenID 2.0 spec is
>> complete (and I don't mean that it needs more features — but that it needs
>> better documentation, better interaction models, and better use case
>> descriptions, as well as more research into its use — technology is easy to
>> create, it's harder to take it away later).
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>> I'm all for centralizing things like IP management, branding, messaging,
>> and the more public outreachy aspects of the brand and foundation, but I can
>> tell you that those things will likely fall in the laps of those on the West
>> Coast, once again, because it's easy for that to happen. I think Nat has
>> been doing an impressive job pushing OpenID forward in Japan, but if he had
>> to wait on a central body — again, which a preponderance of representation
>> from the West Coast — I don't know that he'd be making as much progress — as
>> it is, he's been trying to push forward various proposals with little help
>> from anyone — let alone the concentrated group on the West Coast.
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>> If I saw evidence that groups around the world were pushing hard to get
>> things done, but were unable to do so because they didn't have central
>> coordination, I'd be more interested in entertaining the idea of a
>> consolidated, centrally geo-colocated structure. But that would only cause
>> members of the community to turn inward, when what we need to do is continue
>> pushing outward — extending the ripples of awareness from the small
>> community of folks who care about this technology.
>>
>> More bureaucracy will not help here — more action will. Thus, I'd be more
>> interested in developing ideas for helping OpenID grow internationally and
>> advancing the cause of user-centric identity generally, than trying to
>> construct a framework for participation before we even see any real activity
>> happening naturally.
>>
>> Chris
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>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Steven Livingstone-Perez <
>> weblivz at hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>>  I tend to agree with Santosh on this one - the breaking up of OpenID
>>> into different organizations with little to no communication hasn't been
>>> useful (at least not from what i've seen as a simple member - i don't see
>>> what happens internally). Seems only to have isolated the majority
>>> of decisions around OpenID in the US from other communities around the
>>> world.
>>>
>>> Many of these Open* initiatives need to encourage community participation
>>> from outwith the West Coast and i'd like to see a more collaborative
>>> strategy in building this "platform" together. I don't know that this
>>> community participation can be *purely* pushed out to edge foundations with
>>> limited impact on the Foundation itself.
>>>
>>> /steven
>>> http://livz.org
>>>
>>>  *From:* Santosh Rajan <santrajan at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 25, 2009 3:14 PM
>>> *To:* general at openid.net
>>> *Subject:* [OpenID] Fwd: [OpenID board] Status of the OpenID Foundation
>>> Europe
>>>
>>> Forwarding to general forum. I think this discussion is og general
>>> interest also.
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Santosh Rajan <santrajan at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 8:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] Status of the OpenID Foundation Europe
>>> To: openid-board at lists.openid.net
>>> Cc: openid-eu at lists.openid.net, snorri.giorgetti at gmail.com
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>>>
>>> Hi Don,
>>> I think you have missed the point entirely. Let me quote our european
>>> colleagues. " was also wondering whether it would be more appropriate to
>>> have one single consolidated foundation".
>>>
>>> Right! Lets think in terms of one single consolidated foundation.
>>>
>>> So what have you got to say about that?
>>>
>>> Now let me add my personal views to this. Living in an increasingly
>>> globalized world, something so universal like "identity", should be
>>> globalized and made "one".
>>>
>>> Instead of breaking up OpenID into cultural, geographic and language
>>> boundaries, we should be working towards unifying OpenID into one universal
>>> Identity.
>>>
>>> I think it is ridiculous to think of OpenID europe, or OpenID Japan or
>>> OpenID India or whatever you want to call it.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Santosh
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Don Thibeau (OIDF ED) <don at oidf.org>wrote:
>>>
>>>> The OpenID Foundation has much work to do in Europe in 2010.
>>>>
>>>> I hope the board elections underway will increase our representation,
>>>> resources and expertise on several fronts WRT OpenID EU.
>>>> I plan to propose a 2010 OpenID Foundation EU committee to:
>>>> 1. Review the analysis underway of our trademarks and brands
>>>> 2. Discuss EU membership outreach and organization
>>>> 3. Review EU budget plans and priorities.
>>>>
>>>> With that new committee's help and that of Henrik, Snorri and others, I
>>>> plan
>>>> to propose the 2010 board sponsor a "OpenID Summit Europe" to occur
>>>> around
>>>> the Burton Catalyst Europe, April 19-22 in Prague.  I have been invited
>>>> to
>>>> speak at that conference http://www.catalyst.burtongroup.com/eu10/
>>>>
>>>> Don Thibeau
>>>> don at OIDF.org
>>>> Executive Director
>>>> The OpenID Foundation
>>>> http://openid.net
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net
>>>> [mailto:openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net] On Behalf Of Henrik
>>>> Biering
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:07 PM
>>>> To: Snorri Giorgetti
>>>> Cc: openid-board at lists.openid.net; openid-eu at lists.openid.net
>>>> Subject: [OpenID board] Status of the OpenID Foundation Europe
>>>>
>>>> Hi Snorri,
>>>> how are you doing? I have not heard anything from you for quite a long
>>>> time.
>>>>
>>>> Yesterday, I discovered that the openid.dk domain registered by OpenID
>>>> foundation Europe had expired and had been deactivated.
>>>> I have now managed to pay the invoice and get the domain reactivated.
>>>>
>>>> However, I wonder about the situation of OpenID Europe Foundation in
>>>> general. You have done an impressive job of aquiring the European and
>>>> National Trademarks for OpenID as well as several national OpenID
>>>> domains on behalf of the EU foundation, and it would be sad to see the
>>>> result of these efforts vanish.
>>>>
>>>> If there are no resources available to maintain OpenID Foundation
>>>> Europe, maybe it is appropriate to consider how this IPR may be
>>>> consolidated within the global OpenID Foundation (or alternatively at
>>>> the national levels).
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Henrik Biering
>>>> OpenID-DK representative
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