[OpenID] Fwd: [OpenID board] Status of the OpenID Foundation Europe

Wed Nov 25 16:45:07 UTC 2009

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On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Chris Messina <chris.messina at gmail.com>wrote:

> There are both structural as well as cultural issues here that cannot be
> merely ignored, or tilted at with the expectation of change.
>
> While I'm sympathetic to the idea of "One OpenID Foundation", in practice,
> geo-colocated groups tend to work together more in a more capable, agile
> manner, and have the benefit of understand local politics, priorities, and
> momentum.
>
> For example, while I won't suggest that the work being done with the US
> Federal Government represents the final answer when it comes to any
> government's adoption or use of the technology, I do think that the outcomes
> represent a more American approach to identity management (i.e. outsource it
> to private companies) than one that would, say, be popular in Europe.
>
> Therefore, in order to make progress, especially as this effort is still
> young, I would be interested in seeing parallel developments or
> implementations of the technology that reflect localized perspectives — in
> order to flesh out the various use cases and applications and limitations of
> what we have — rather than trying to assume that the OpenID 2.0 spec is
> complete (and I don't mean that it needs more features — but that it needs
> better documentation, better interaction models, and better use case
> descriptions, as well as more research into its use — technology is easy to
> create, it's harder to take it away later).
>
> I'm all for centralizing things like IP management, branding, messaging,
> and the more public outreachy aspects of the brand and foundation, but I can
> tell you that those things will likely fall in the laps of those on the West
> Coast, once again, because it's easy for that to happen. I think Nat has
> been doing an impressive job pushing OpenID forward in Japan, but if he had
> to wait on a central body — again, which a preponderance of representation
> from the West Coast — I don't know that he'd be making as much progress — as
> it is, he's been trying to push forward various proposals with little help
> from anyone — let alone the concentrated group on the West Coast.
>
> If I saw evidence that groups around the world were pushing hard to get
> things done, but were unable to do so because they didn't have central
> coordination, I'd be more interested in entertaining the idea of a
> consolidated, centrally geo-colocated structure. But that would only cause
> members of the community to turn inward, when what we need to do is continue
> pushing outward — extending the ripples of awareness from the small
> community of folks who care about this technology.
>
> More bureaucracy will not help here — more action will. Thus, I'd be more
> interested in developing ideas for helping OpenID grow internationally and
> advancing the cause of user-centric identity generally, than trying to
> construct a framework for participation before we even see any real activity
> happening naturally.
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Steven Livingstone-Perez <
> weblivz at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  I tend to agree with Santosh on this one - the breaking up of OpenID
>> into different organizations with little to no communication hasn't been
>> useful (at least not from what i've seen as a simple member - i don't see
>> what happens internally). Seems only to have isolated the majority
>> of decisions around OpenID in the US from other communities around the
>> world.
>>
>> Many of these Open* initiatives need to encourage community participation
>> from outwith the West Coast and i'd like to see a more collaborative
>> strategy in building this "platform" together. I don't know that this
>> community participation can be *purely* pushed out to edge foundations with
>> limited impact on the Foundation itself.
>>
>> /steven
>> http://livz.org
>>
>>  *From:* Santosh Rajan <santrajan at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 25, 2009 3:14 PM
>> *To:* general at openid.net
>> *Subject:* [OpenID] Fwd: [OpenID board] Status of the OpenID Foundation
>> Europe
>>
>> Forwarding to general forum. I think this discussion is og general
>> interest also.
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Santosh Rajan <santrajan at gmail.com>
>> Date: Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 8:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] Status of the OpenID Foundation Europe
>> To: openid-board at lists.openid.net
>> Cc: openid-eu at lists.openid.net, snorri.giorgetti at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> Hi Don,
>> I think you have missed the point entirely. Let me quote our european
>> colleagues. " was also wondering whether it would be more appropriate to
>> have one single consolidated foundation".
>>
>> Right! Lets think in terms of one single consolidated foundation.
>>
>> So what have you got to say about that?
>>
>> Now let me add my personal views to this. Living in an increasingly
>> globalized world, something so universal like "identity", should be
>> globalized and made "one".
>>
>> Instead of breaking up OpenID into cultural, geographic and language
>> boundaries, we should be working towards unifying OpenID into one universal
>> Identity.
>>
>> I think it is ridiculous to think of OpenID europe, or OpenID Japan or
>> OpenID India or whatever you want to call it.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Santosh
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Don Thibeau (OIDF ED) <don at oidf.org>wrote:
>>
>>> The OpenID Foundation has much work to do in Europe in 2010.
>>>
>>> I hope the board elections underway will increase our representation,
>>> resources and expertise on several fronts WRT OpenID EU.
>>> I plan to propose a 2010 OpenID Foundation EU committee to:
>>> 1. Review the analysis underway of our trademarks and brands
>>> 2. Discuss EU membership outreach and organization
>>> 3. Review EU budget plans and priorities.
>>>
>>> With that new committee's help and that of Henrik, Snorri and others, I
>>> plan
>>> to propose the 2010 board sponsor a "OpenID Summit Europe" to occur
>>> around
>>> the Burton Catalyst Europe, April 19-22 in Prague.  I have been invited
>>> to
>>> speak at that conference http://www.catalyst.burtongroup.com/eu10/
>>>
>>> Don Thibeau
>>> don at OIDF.org
>>> Executive Director
>>> The OpenID Foundation
>>> http://openid.net
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net
>>> [mailto:openid-board-bounces at lists.openid.net] On Behalf Of Henrik
>>> Biering
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:07 PM
>>> To: Snorri Giorgetti
>>> Cc: openid-board at lists.openid.net; openid-eu at lists.openid.net
>>> Subject: [OpenID board] Status of the OpenID Foundation Europe
>>>
>>> Hi Snorri,
>>> how are you doing? I have not heard anything from you for quite a long
>>> time.
>>>
>>> Yesterday, I discovered that the openid.dk domain registered by OpenID
>>> foundation Europe had expired and had been deactivated.
>>> I have now managed to pay the invoice and get the domain reactivated.
>>>
>>> However, I wonder about the situation of OpenID Europe Foundation in
>>> general. You have done an impressive job of aquiring the European and
>>> National Trademarks for OpenID as well as several national OpenID
>>> domains on behalf of the EU foundation, and it would be sad to see the
>>> result of these efforts vanish.
>>>
>>> If there are no resources available to maintain OpenID Foundation
>>> Europe, maybe it is appropriate to consider how this IPR may be
>>> consolidated within the global OpenID Foundation (or alternatively at
>>> the national levels).
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Henrik Biering
>>> OpenID-DK representative
>>>
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