[OpenID] My 2 Cents to the OpenID foundation

Peter Williams pwilliams at rapattoni.com
Thu Apr 2 10:56:55 UTC 2009


Openid culture is not yet so staid that it cannot benefit from a newcomers perspective.

I would expect at least a couple more shifts in openid before it makes it on a large scale: UI and trust. Both topics are being worked on, and both will inevitably discard elements of the initial idealism. The requirement to type a URI is already gone, and trust is rapidly becoming a make/break issue.

The trick is not to totally lose the composite of ideals that made the movement attractive: decentralization, UCI, open source, foreground browser protocols, metadata, auto-discovery, provider portability...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces at openid.net [mailto:general-bounces at openid.net] On
> Behalf Of SitG Admin
> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:59 PM
> To: santrajan
> Cc: general at openid.net
> Subject: Re: [OpenID] My 2 Cents to the OpenID foundation
> >After my last two blog posts about OpenID i spent some time on the
> OpenID
> >forums to see what was going on. The impression I gathered was that
> there
> >were some genuine efforts to recognize emails as valid OpenID's in the
> There are?
> I knew there were efforts to gently guide the user through the
> learning process by Discovering and displaying the corresponding URI
> instead of outright rejecting E-mail addresses, but I never saw
> anything about treating an E-mail address as an OpenID *itself*.
> I think this is another sign that you have been looking for a very
> specific idea you have in mind, and mistaking anything similar you
> find for a failure to achieve *your* goal. (Our lack of gratitude to
> you for coming in and explaining to us what we really want and how we
> can correct what we're doing to be more in line with what "we" want,
> isn't helping.)
> >The problem is that emails were never recognized as OpenID's right
> from the
> >beginning. And that was the kiss of death for OpenID.
> The problem, to return to an earlier analogy, is that camels did not
> begin their evolution as horses. This is why camels are extinct now -
> because they couldn't mutate into horses fast enough to preserve
> their usefulness to the human species.
> >It is beyond me,
> >living in a world were practically every one uses an email address to
> log in
> >almost anywhere,
> Well, *practically* every one of us, anyway. Those like me don't matter
> ;)
> It's a good thing you don't live in a world where people like me exist
> ;)
> >a group of well meaning intelligent people can completely
> >miss its importance. Did they think the concept of a url as an
> identity
> >could be showed down the whole worlds throat?
> It's particularly ironic you should put it like that, considering:
> >So I rolled up my sleeves and went to work on this one, and I posted
> my
> >solution on the Openid forum. The jist of what I had to say was, "The
> user
> >MUST be able to authenticate himself with OpenID using his email
> address if
> >he so chooses to".
> Did you really think you could just shove E-mail down OpenID's throat?
> -Shade
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