[OpenID] OWS-6 Support Request

Pat Cappelaere pat at cappelaere.com
Tue Dec 16 22:24:12 UTC 2008


Hey David,

We have the parties interested in building the demonstration.  It is  
Vightel/NASA/Fujitsu/Stevens Institute/George Mason University team  
working on the GPW thread of the OGC OWS-6.  How more specific do I  
need to be?
We have the scenario we need to demonstrate.
I think that we need to look seriously at an integration of OpenID and  
OAuth when the SP's and OP's are separate.
This is likely to require an extension of OpenID.
Problem is that this does not seem to be a use-case interesting for  
Google and Yahoo and the current working group is restricted.

So I am asking the question to the board for guidance.
Thanks,
Pat.

On Dec 16, 2008, at 3:03 PM, David Recordon wrote:

> Hey Pat,
> I think it would be finding a few parties interested in building the  
> demonstration and then figuring out how the Foundation could help to  
> make that happen.  The Foundation should be helping to push  
> something forward versus being the gate keeper of starting things.
>
> --David
>
> On Dec 16, 2008, at 11:23 AM, Pat Cappelaere wrote:
>
>> Brian,
>>
>> As you know we are trying to penetrate the NASA/DOD market and  
>> demonstrate OpenID+OAuth during an Open Geospatial Consortium  
>> demonstration in March as it could apply to automated workflows.   
>> We will have to write an engineering report describing our  
>> findings.  There are many companies looking at this.
>>
>> http://xml.coverpages.org/OGC-OWS6-Testbed.html
>>
>> We are trying to present a RESTful alternative to SOAP WS-*  
>> approach for a different market.
>>
>> The scenario we have to work with is different from what Google and  
>> Yahoo have in mind (SP=OP in their case) so I am not seeing any  
>> interest in opening up the working group to a new member to discuss  
>> the issue further and try to support us.
>>
>> If the OIDF were to be interested in this technology demonstration  
>> from a strategic perspective, what would be the next steps?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Pat.
>>
>> On Dec 16, 2008, at 1:16 PM, Brian Kissel wrote:
>>
>>> Another item that I forgot to put on the list, we could certainly  
>>> benefit from a concerted community-wide effort to identify and  
>>> reach out to potentially receptive prospective RPs, especially  
>>> mainstream highly visible sites.  As some of you may know, we  
>>> created http://demand.openid.net/ to let OpenID users vote for  
>>> what sites you’d like to see OpenID-enabled.  The idea was that if  
>>> we could create a groundswell of demand for the top requested  
>>> sites, we could use that data to encourage those sites to  
>>> implement OpenID.  It got some initial interest and participation,  
>>> but has died off lately.  It’s a bit difficult since it requires  
>>> installing a bookmarklet in your browser then remembering to use it.
>>>
>>> We can certainly continue to send emails to info@, support@,  
>>> webmaster@ but those usually don’t go anywhere.  Personally, I’ve  
>>> been using my college and business networks along with LinkedIn,  
>>> but that only get us so far.  But if the entire OpenID community  
>>> could leverage our collective networks, that could be meaningful.   
>>> For example, it would be great to have Wikipedia or Craigslist  
>>> implement OpenID, but we need introductions into the  
>>> organizations.  I’ve personally been advocating that we target  
>>> “content providers” – media companies (film, tv, radio, music,  
>>> newspapers, sports, etc.) and affinity groups (corp & academic  
>>> alumni networks, clubs, boy scouts, AARP, trade associations,  
>>> etc.).  BBC, 4-H, and AARP are already members of the OIDF.  These  
>>> organizations should be more receptive since they want to register  
>>> lots of users/members and make it easy for them to login, and  
>>> longer term to possibly share social networking profile  
>>> information.  Additionally, their primary focus isn’t purely  
>>> commerce, so we don’t have to have all the aspects of commerce  
>>> worked out to be of immediate value to them.
>>>
>>> So if anyone on this list knows people at companies or  
>>> organizations that should be implementing OpenID, contact them.   
>>> Let them know about the OpenID Foundation and our website.   
>>> Encourage them to join the Foundation and/or a mailing list to  
>>> monitor a topic of interest to them.  If they’d like to discuss  
>>> joining the OpenID Foundation, have them contact any of the  
>>> members of the Membership committee: Dewitt Clinton, Gary Krall,  
>>> David Recordon, or Brian Kissel (me).  If they want to participate  
>>> in customer research, have them contact Johannes Ernst, Raj Mata,  
>>> Scott Kveton, or me.  You can see who the members of the various  
>>> committees are at: http://wiki.openid.net/OpenID_Foundation/Committees
>>>
>>> If they want to implement OpenID on their websites, point them to  
>>> the various open source libraries or service providers that help  
>>> companies with implementation.  And yes, this is self-serving for  
>>> JanRain since we do both, but feel free to point them to any  
>>> resources that you think can help them.  For OpenID to expand its  
>>> relevance beyond tech savvy users and user generated content  
>>> applications, we need broader mainstream RP adoption.  I’m hopeful  
>>> that as soon as an average person can think of a dozen or more  
>>> sites where they can use their OpenID, we’ll start to reach an  
>>> inflection point where users start to demand this kind of user  
>>> experience.
>>>
>>> Again, we welcome everyone who is interested to join the marketing  
>>> mailing list to provide your suggestions and feedback.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Brian
>>> ==============
>>> Brian Kissel
>>> Cell: 503.866.4424
>>> Fax: 503.296.5502
>>>
>>> From: Chris Messina [mailto:chris.messina at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 11:16 PM
>>> To: Brian Kissel
>>> Cc: OpenID List; board at openid.net; Zac Bjelogrlic
>>> Subject: Re: Status of the Customer Research Committee (Was: Re:  
>>> [OpenID] Several Questions for the Current & Future Board)
>>>
>>> Thanks Brian. This is a great start!
>>>
>>> I've recorded these on the wiki for now:
>>>
>>> https://openid.pbwiki.com/Marketing
>>>
>>> Would definitely be great to start thinking about planning  
>>> specific agenda/action items and tasks to take these on in 2009!
>>>
>>> Chris
>>> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Brian Kissel  
>>> <bkissel at janrain.com> wrote:
>>> Agreed we need to get more systematic about this.  It's one of the  
>>> things we want to pursue across all the committees in 2009.  Off  
>>> the top of my head, here are a few things that I have heard  
>>> requested.  If there are volunteers to take them on, that would be  
>>> great:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ·         An update to Joseph Smarr's tutorial on how to deploy  
>>> OpenID on your website using the open source libraries
>>>
>>> ·         ROI analysis for various use cases of OpenID – what are  
>>> revenue enhancement or costs reduction impacts of OpenID, how much  
>>> will it cost to deploy, and consequently what is the return on  
>>> investment (ROI) for deploying OpenID on my site
>>>
>>> ·         Specific case studies on the benefits of OpenID – site X  
>>> saw registrations go up by 15%, site Y saw forgotten password  
>>> costs go down by 10%, site Z gathered additional customer account  
>>> registration data by consuming SREG data, etc.
>>>
>>> ·         Volunteers to create more content for the OIDF website  
>>> for prospective RPs – this would also involve interviewing RPs to  
>>> find out what content they'd like to see on the OIDF website
>>>
>>> ·         An overview of SREG and AX and how to use them for RPs
>>>
>>> ·         Best practices for RP deployment – this goes beyond the  
>>> "how to" in the first bullet, to discuss things like UX, linking  
>>> OpenIDs to existing accounts, managing disparate data from  
>>> multiple sources, etc.
>>>
>>> ·         Benchmarking the websites of other SIGs and foundations  
>>> to see
>>>
>>> o   what website capabilities they offer that OIDF should, how we  
>>> could improve navigation, organization, search, etc. on our site
>>>
>>> o   what programs they offer for members that we might consider  
>>> for our members
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm sure others on the list have suggestions on things that the  
>>> OIDF could/should be doing to help drive adoption and usage from a  
>>> marketing perspective, so I'd suggest those people who are  
>>> interested should subscribe to the marketing mailing list and we  
>>> can start developing our plans for 2009.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> ==============
>>>
>>> Brian Kissel
>>>
>>> Cell: 503.866.4424
>>>
>>> Fax: 503.296.5502
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Chris Messina [mailto:chris.messina at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 7:57 PM
>>> To: Brian Kissel
>>> Cc: OpenID List; board at openid.net; Zac Bjelogrlic
>>> Subject: Re: Status of the Customer Research Committee (Was: Re:  
>>> [OpenID] Several Questions for the Current & Future Board)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Brian.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is there a list of ongoing marketing activities and a list of  
>>> goals, objectives or measurements we're using to gauge our progress?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I found the mailing list, but it looks dead:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://openid.net/pipermail/marketing/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jsut as with the CRC, I'd love to see a list of what's going on  
>>> with this committee on the wiki. I'm happy to transcribe what  
>>> information is available so that we can get ourselves sorted and  
>>> our priorities assigned.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I feel like there's been lots of chatter on the OpenID mailing  
>>> lists lately but not enough meaty opportunities to get people  
>>> involved in owning a piece of the pie.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If we can start bite-chunking the work and assigning it to some of  
>>> the more active posters on the OpenID lists, I think, given the  
>>> free time some of us seem to have available, we might be able to  
>>> make incredible progress (think: we're leveraging the opportunity  
>>> provided by Cory Doctorow's cognitive surplus!).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Brian Kissel  
>>> <bkissel at janrain.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe we've spent $10K with Market Focus so far (Johannes?)  
>>> and BBC sponsored the meals and facilities at the NYC meeting  
>>> (many thanks to Zac Bjelogrlic and the BBC team for their  
>>> leadership and generosity).  One key next step was the UX Summit  
>>> sponsored by Yahoo.  There have been separate related initiatives  
>>> by many of the OPs focused user profile data management. Some  
>>> preliminary discussions have happened around business and legal  
>>> frameworks, but don't know that there is much to share on that  
>>> yet.  I'd imagine next steps will be determined by the Customer  
>>> Research and Marketing Committees in the context of next year's  
>>> operating plan and budget.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> ==============
>>>
>>> Brian Kissel
>>>
>>> Cell: 503.866.4424
>>>
>>> Fax: 503.296.5502
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Chris Messina [mailto:chris.messina at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 6:17 PM
>>> To: Brian Kissel
>>> Cc: OpenID List; board at openid.net
>>> Subject: Status of the Customer Research Committee (Was: Re:  
>>> [OpenID] Several Questions for the Current & Future Board)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok, thanks for that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do we have any additional documentation or reports?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll transcribe elements of that presentation to the wiki in the  
>>> meanwhile.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It'd be good to know if this work is ongoing, and if so, how to  
>>> get involved or what outcomes are expected as well as how much was  
>>> spent on the deliverables we've currently received.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Brian Kissel  
>>> <bkissel at janrain.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, one public summary from IIW in Mt. View: http://www.slideshare.net/bkkissel/openid-foundation-market-research-report-from-iiwb-2008-presentation 
>>>    This is just a summary from a more detailed report that  
>>> Johannes initiated with an outside market research firm named  
>>> Market Focus.  Market Focus attended the Content Provider Advisory  
>>> Committee meeting, then did a series of one-on-one interviews with  
>>> several of the participants as well as other RPs, prospective RPs,  
>>> and OPs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> ==============
>>>
>>> Brian Kissel
>>>
>>> Cell: 503.866.4424
>>>
>>> Fax: 503.296.5502
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: general-bounces at openid.net [mailto:general- 
>>> bounces at openid.net] On Behalf Of Chris Messina
>>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 5:48 PM
>>> To: Johannes Ernst
>>> Cc: OpenID List
>>>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [OpenID] Several Questions for the Current & Future  
>>> Board
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Johannes Ernst <jernst+openid.net at netmesh.us 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Re the CRC work: I personally got on the phone with every board  
>>> member that I could get a hold of in the week before I asked for  
>>> funding the external consultant -- you will recall that you and I  
>>> talked about it, too, on the phone, prior to the board meeting. So  
>>> I'm at loss to understand what you mean by not having been  
>>> consulted.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is a separate topic, but I searched around for the results of  
>>> the CRC committee and all I came up with was this page (ported  
>>> from the original wiki):
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://openid.pbwiki.com/Customer-Research-Committee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are the results of this study available?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
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