[OpenID] Shade's questions - Privacy for Foundation members
George Fletcher
gffletch at aol.com
Mon Dec 15 13:30:26 UTC 2008
Just to make sure I understand the situation correctly...
If I work for a major corporation that "owns" any IP I may contribute to
OpenID via Working Groups, I can join as an individual member of the
Foundation for the purpose of voting. However, if I want to contribute
to the work in any way, I have to get my employer to join the
Foundation. At which point I would have two "memberships" (one as an
individual and one via my employer). Then in a working group I would be
contributing as a corporate employee under the membership agreement and
IPR policy signed by my employer but for community matters I'd be
contributing as an individual.
Is that the correct interpretation of the situation?
Thanks,
George
Eran Hammer-Lahav wrote:
>
> The only thing you are agreeing to by becoming a member is the
> Membership Agreement. If you make no contribution, the IPR Policy does
> not apply to you. Still have a problem becoming a member?
>
> EHL
>
> *From:* Peter Williams [mailto:pwilliams at rapattoni.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 14, 2008 10:40 AM
> *To:* Eran Hammer-Lahav; SitG Admin; general at openid.net
> *Subject:* RE: [OpenID] Shade's questions - Privacy for Foundation members
>
> So, reason like me. with that agreement:-
>
> I have no intention of making a contribution (I’m simply not
> authorized, or technically capable…).
>
> I participate in this open list only, which folks agree is a
> contribution-free zone by universal consensus; and have gone to 1
> conference session 2 years ago - having paid for the privilege or
> learning knowledge (where folks spent an hour disclosing information).
>
> I will not make a promise that is irrelevant to the functions of
> membership in which I intend participate.
>
> Solution: create a class of never-contributing members, and you get
> $25 (and I get a subscription).
>
> And to get me to even re-read that for a third time, get rid of point
> 2. It uses, I, which is defined later in relation to contribution and
> a promissory. Membership byelaws must be separated from contribution
> byelaws, since not everyone contributes (in the legal sense).
>
> The lawyer who wrote this was good at his/her job, note.
>
> .
>
> *From:* Eran Hammer-Lahav [mailto:eran at hueniverse.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 14, 2008 10:16 AM
> *To:* Peter Williams; SitG Admin; general at openid.net
> *Subject:* RE: [OpenID] Shade's questions - Privacy for Foundation members
>
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> – Implementer’s Draft 12, OpenID Attribute Exchange –
> Draft 8, Yadis Discovery Protocol 1.0, and any document
> created by the OpenID Foundation or Work Groups pursuant
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> in accordance with the terms and conditions of this
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>
>
> 1. Becoming a Contributor.
>
> 1. *General.* To become a Contributor, an individual or
> entity must affirmatively accept the OpenID
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> type of Contributor that the individual or entity
> will be (pursuant to Section II.1(b)), and provide
> any other required documentation or verification.
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> through acts of individuals, to maintain the
> royalty-free nature of Specifications, individuals
> who may owe duties to third parties with respect to
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>
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> without limitation, employers or clients)
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> Contributions to, Work Groups and verifying
> the unfettered right to make Contributions;
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> clients, or other third parties regarding
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> creates (in whole or in part), but not
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> must also identify the Representatives
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> otherwise agreeing to the terms of this Policy.
>
>
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>
> The OpenID Foundation may, from time to time, propose forming a new
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> Although Contributors may join a Work Group at any time, no
> Contributor that joins a Work Group before the Scope is approved will
> be bound by Sections V or VI of this Policy, as applied to such Work
> Group, until after: (1) the Scope is approved pursuant to the
> applicable OpenID Process; and (2) thirty (30) days have passed after
> such approval, and the Contributor has not withdrawn from the Work
> Group in accordance with Section VI.3 below.
>
>
> 4. Confidentiality.
>
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> including materials shared with Contributors outside of the context of
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> regardless of any markings to the contrary included thereon or related
> thereto.
>
>
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>
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>
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> Specifications.
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>
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>
> Contributor (“*I*” or “*me*”) hereby irrevocably promises not to
> assert any Necessary Claims against any other entity (“*you*”) for
> making, using, selling, offering for sale, importing, or distributing
> any Implementation or offering any product or service to the extent it
> contains or uses a Compliant Portion, subject to the following. This
> is a personal promise directly from me to you, and you acknowledge as
> a condition of benefiting from it that no rights from me are received
> from me for your suppliers, distributors, or otherwise in connection
> with this promise.
>
> This promise is not an assurance that: (a) any of my issued patent
> claims covers an Implementation or are enforceable; or (b) an
> Implementation will not infringe patents or other intellectual
> property rights of any third party. No other rights except those
> expressly stated in this promise will be deemed granted, waived, or
> received by implication, exhaustion, estoppel, or otherwise.
>
> I may (but am not obligated to) condition my promise on your making a
> reciprocal promise, applicable to the same Implementers Draft or Final
> Specification as my promise, that is at least as favorable as that
> above and that applies at least to your Necessary Claims. Either of us
> may (but neither of us is obligated or may require the other to) make
> a promise that is more favorable than that above (including without
> limitation by applying more broadly to any relevant claims, rather
> than just to Necessary Claims).
>
> I may (but am not obligated to), from time to time, provide the terms
> of any more favorable patent promise (“*Non-Default Terms*”) to the
> OpenID Foundation, in writing, and such Non-Default Terms will apply
> to any Implementers Draft or Final Specification approved in
> accordance with the applicable OpenID Process before I replace or
> retract such Non-Default Terms. If I replace such terms with new
> Non-Default Terms, then the new Non-Default Terms will apply to any
> Implementers Draft or Final Specification approved after such
> replacement (but the prior Non-Default Terms will continue to apply to
> any Implementers Draft or Final Specification approved before such
> replacement). If I retract such Non-Default Terms, or if I never
> provide any Non-Default Terms, then the first four (4) paragraphs of
> this Section VI are the terms of my patent promise to you.
>
> 2. *Patent Disclosures.* There is no requirement or
> expectation by others that Contributors should disclose
> patents or patent applications that they have reason to
> believe may contain Necessary Claims. The OpenID
> Foundation hereby disclaims any responsibility for
> identifying the existence, or for evaluating the
> applicability, of any patents, patent applications, or
> other rights (including copyrights) claimed to be
> applicable to any Specification and will take no position
> on the validity or scope of any such rights.
> 3. *Withdrawal.* A Contributor may withdraw from a Work Group
> at any time by providing at least seven (7) days’ written
> notice to the OpenID Foundation. The withdrawing
> Contributor will, in perpetuity, remain subject to Section
> V, as applied to copyrights in any Contributions made
> before the effective date of such withdrawal, and to the
> limited patent promise in Section VI.1, as applied to any
> Implementers Drafts or Final Specifications accepted by
> the Contributor. A Contributor has “accepted” an
> Implementers Draft or Final Specification if the
> Contributor (in accordance with the applicable OpenID
> Process and after a formal call by an editor of the
> applicable Specification to recommend adoption of the
> then-current draft Specification as an Implementers Draft
> or an applicable Implementers Draft as a Final
> Specification): (a) expressly voted to recommend adoption
> (or otherwise recommended adoption, in writing in (or on
> the record of), any assessment of consensus); (b) failed
> timely to vote to recommend disapproval of such adoption
> (or otherwise to disapprove of such adoption, in writing
> in (or on the record of) any assessment of consensus); or
> (c) expressly and timely voted to recommend disapproval of
> such adoption (other otherwise disapproved of such
> adoption, in writing in (or on the record of) any
> assessment of consensus), yet failed to provide to the
> OpenID Foundation notice of intent to withdraw, or notice
> of an appeal to the OpenID board of directors, within
> forty-five (45) days after the Specification editor
> announces either that the Work Group has reached consensus
> (or has voted) to recommend adoption. If, however, a
> Contributor timely requests appeal as provided in the
> foregoing sentence, then: (y) the time to serve notice of
> withdrawal (solely for Contributors seeking appeal) will
> be deemed extended until fourteen (14) days after the
> OpenID Foundation board of directors announces its
> decision or recommendation on the appeal; and (z) any
> effect of the adoption of the applicable Implementers
> Draft or Final Specification will be deemed stayed until
> seven (7) days after any recommendation of the OpenID
> Foundation board of directors has been voted upon by the
> OpenID membership as provided in the applicable OpenID
> Process.
>
>
> 7. Notices.
>
> The following notice must be included in all Specifications:
>
> The technology described in this specification was made available from
> contributions from various sources, including members of the OpenID
> Foundation and others. Although the OpenID Foundation has taken steps
> to help ensure that the technology is available for distribution, it
> takes no position regarding the validity or scope of any intellectual
> property or other rights that might be claimed to pertain to the
> implementation or use of the technology described in this
> specification or the extent to which any license under such rights
> might or might not be available; neither does it represent that it has
> made any independent effort to identify any such rights. The OpenID
> Foundation and the contributors to this specification make no (and
> hereby expressly disclaim any) warranties (express, implied, or
> otherwise), including implied warranties of merchantability,
> non-infringement, fitness for a particular purpose, or title, related
> to this specification, and the entire risk as to implementing this
> specification is assumed by the implementer. The OpenID Intellectual
> Property Rights policy requires contributors to offer a patent promise
> not to assert certain patent claims against other contributors and
> against implementers. OpenID invites any interested party to bring to
> its attention any copyrights, patents, patent applications, or other
> proprietary rights that may cover technology that may be required to
> practice this specification.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: Peter Williams [mailto:pwilliams at rapattoni.com]
>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 10:06 AM
>
> > To: Eran Hammer-Lahav; SitG Admin; general at openid.net
>
> > Subject: RE: [OpenID] Shade's questions - Privacy for Foundation
>
> > members
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > > > > First, it is $25. Second, what specific IP rules prevent you from
>
> > > > > joining? My personal issues with the OpenID foundation IPR policy
>
> > > are
>
> > > > > that it doesn't secure more rights for the community, which means
>
> > > it
>
> > > > > will take more power away from those who participate in creating
>
> > > > > specifications. But it sounds like you feel the current policy
>
> > has
>
> > > > > already gone too far. I would be interested to learn what exactly
>
> > > is
>
> > > > > your issue (please quote specific language from the IPR policy).
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > EHL
>
> >
>
> > [Peter Williams] I'm not sure I ever got as far as reviewing the wider
>
> > IPR policy: I was just trying to subscribe! I was looking at
>
> > subscribing to (25$) membership benefits last week, and got all the way
>
> > to the member's agreement - which I started reading. I balked at its
>
> > terms.
>
> >
>
> > I don't mind there being strict IP rules on technical or other
>
> > "contributions" (to the contribution-controlled lists, that do NOT
>
> > include this one). That's the only way to keep IP relatively clean, in
>
> > practice.
>
> >
>
> > That's a different thing to ceding any IP rights for the mere status of
>
> > being a member, merely to view vote on (non technical) issues, see
>
> > financial statements, or seek a nomination!
>
> >
>
> > To your challenge! I cannot cite the language I read, as I could not
>
> > (just now) access the registration / legal agreements. It just says on
>
> > clicking next, for the $25 subscription level:
>
> >
>
> > "The change you wanted was rejected. Maybe you tried to change
>
> > something you didn't have access to".
>
> >
>
> > I'll GUESS I have openid-generated persistent cookies hanging around
>
> > and the subscription module somehow knows of early its reliance on
>
> > myopenid .. from the last-time I started to registered - before
>
> > abandoning the transaction. This MAY be confusing the subscription
>
> > logic. But, who knows! It didn't work.
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> > You'll have to rely on the summary; it's all I recall of my mental
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> > model from last week.
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