[OpenID] The Wiki

Peter Williams pwilliams at rapattoni.com
Thu Dec 4 18:48:57 UTC 2008


5 or 6 months ago. Perhaps a bit longer.

I was aggressively promoting openid2 , paying TrustBearer to be our OP and was hoping to similarly promote pbwiki at the time. I was  hoping to arrange business grade websso so that our customers could easily USE openid to a BUSINESS-grade wiki service. Sounded like a winwin for everyone.

The key issue was "business-grade" for a consumer-grade audience - it has to work in commodity-grade, unmanged , consumer PCs, generating less than 1 phone call year per user. A $15-cost phone call ...to solve/not-solve an authentication/logon issue eliminates most of the annual profitability margin per user (in our industry). The pbwiki service was fine and a GREAT openid integration, when it worked. The QA simply prevented business, however. I cannot go tell my consumer-grade home PC users to go figure which browser plugin to eliminate, as one of their behaviors is influencing the outcome of the HTML events race.  And I cannot afford the phone call to fix it for them. There must is not enough margin per user, to spend 15m on the phone diagnosing PC settings ..in even 0.1% of our user population.

From: Chris Messina [mailto:chris.messina at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:31 AM
To: Peter Williams
Cc: david at sixapart.com; general at openid.net List
Subject: Re: [OpenID] The Wiki

When did you last attempt to sign in with your OpenID?

Chris
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:02 AM, Peter Williams <pwilliams at rapattoni.com<mailto:pwilliams at rapattoni.com>> wrote:
No Objection (in fact it WOULD be great), but I could never successfully interwork with pbwiki (unlike lots of other third-party SPs, with the same myopenid I've used since day#1).

Working with their support team failed to resolve my particular issue. AS far as I could tell, it was generalized; they saw differently. (Their particular HTML design's event handling nesting allowed race conditions). I personally gave up, not happy with myself for doing so.

-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces at openid.net<mailto:general-bounces at openid.net> [mailto:general-bounces at openid.net<mailto:general-bounces at openid.net>] On Behalf Of David Recordon
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:15 AM
To: general at openid.net<mailto:general at openid.net> List
Subject: [OpenID] The Wiki

Starting to work on the wiki (http://wiki.openid.net/) and remember
why I'm not the largest fan of running your own MediaWiki
installation.  I've also made a change so that the default skin is now
set back to the MediaWiki default instead of the OpenID one that Mart
made since a) it was hard to read and b) the site no longer uses that
design anyway.

I know that Chris Messina setup a "fan wiki" at http://openid.pbwiki.com/
 as well.  When we originally installed the OpenID Wiki we chose to
self host MediaWiki since none of the hosted wiki services supported
OpenID.  Now that PBWiki has good OpenID support, I'd personally like
to see us move to using it.  We can copy over the useful information
on the current wiki and set it up so that wiki.openid.net<http://wiki.openid.net> points at
the PBWiki Chris created.

Anyone strongly object to this approach?  I think it will be easier to
work with, has better OpenID support than MediaWiki, and is one less
thing for Scott and I to manage on the OpenID.net box.

--David

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