<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">David<div><br></div><div>How about taking the time to re-write your charter so that it is not vague and has an appropriate scope? </div><div><br></div><div>I asked some of the questions right after you posted it. Although I disagree with the approach in OAuth, that is not what the topic is -- it is a vague and broad scope.</div><div><br></div><div>-- Dick</div><div><br><div><div>On 2010-06-04, at 8:10 PM, David Recordon wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>I don't think that it does anyone – let alone adoption – good for us to be arguing about this on mailing lists. We very clearly have different approaches to similar problems, but I think that we want the same thing in the end though possibly on different timelines. I'm supportive of overlapping work groups as a way to encourage innovation and look forward to seeing any of the v.Next work groups produce technology.</div>
<div><br></div><div>--David</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Dick Hardt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dick.hardt@gmail.com">dick.hardt@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div class="im"><div>On 2010-06-04, at 7:49 PM, David Recordon wrote:</div><br>
<blockquote type="cite">Given that it's Friday at 8pm, I'll do my best to answer Dick's questions. Dick's assertion that the proposed Connect work group charter, "<span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;border-collapse:collapse">is vague, wide ranging and heavily overlaps other working groups" certainly applies to the v.Next proposals as well.</span></blockquote>
<div><br></div></div>I had asked clarifying questions the day you posted the charter.</div><div><br></div><div>The v.Next WGs were decided upon at the OpenID Summit and existed prior to any public disclosure of Connect.</div>
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<span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;border-collapse:collapse"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;border-collapse:collapse">The first sentence of the charter clearly states that the work group will be, "</span><span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;border-collapse:collapse">complementing other active OpenID Foundation </span><span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;border-collapse:collapse">Working Groups." If the Discovery work group becomes active and produces useful technology, it would certainly be adopted! </span></div>
</blockquote><div><br></div></div>please add that in then</div><div><div class="im"><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;border-collapse:collapse">To date no one in the OpenID Foundation has done technical work on discovery since OpenID 2.0 was finalized. It's thus reasonable for it to be in scope and later abandoned if all works out. If it is removed from the scope and the Discovery work group doesn't produce a working proposal, this work group 1) couldn't discuss discovery and 2) would have to be fully rechartered in order to work on discovery.</span></div>
</blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>why not do the discovery work in the discovery WG? ... why duplicate the effort? you are part of the community, so you can participate in the discovery WG and promote the discovery work you want done. Makes no sense to do the same thing in two places.</div>
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<div><span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;border-collapse:collapse"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;border-collapse:collapse">The goal of the charter is to help frame the problem the working group is going to solve; not answer all of the questions about how it will happen before the work group is even created.</span></div>
</blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Not sure what that means. Your charter is vague. Please review my questions I inserted and tighten up your charter. I am not asking how the work will be done, I am asking for the charter to be clear and appropriately scoped.</div>
<div><br></div><font color="#888888"><div>-- Dick</div><div><br></div></font></div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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