Huh? <div><br></div><div>What do you propose we call it then? Are you actually opposed to calling the project Google Code &quot;OpenID&quot;? Do you think that <a href="http://code.google.com/p/oauth">http://code.google.com/p/oauth</a> was the wrong name for the OAuth project?<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Johannes Ernst <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jernst@netmesh.us">jernst@netmesh.us</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">So what&#39;s wrong with the OIDF helping to assemble an open-source project that does all of what you say, and that has a name OTHER than OpenID?<div><br></div><div>The W3C doesn&#39;t call its browser &quot;HTML&quot; either. Imagine if it did.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div>On May 30, 2009, at 14:58, Chris Messina wrote:</div><br></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Johannes Ernst <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jernst@netmesh.us" target="_blank">jernst@netmesh.us</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
 <div style="word-wrap:break-word">When the OIDF was started, we explicitly decided that the OIDF would not maintain or endorse any particular code base.<div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I agree that we should not endorse any codebase, but I disagree that the foundation should not or can not provide resources, infrastructure or act as a convening force to facilitate the development of libraries.</div>
 <div><br></div><div>The OpenID libraries could be made much more usable, lightweight and approachable if effort and resources were put into them. The reality is that no one is going to do this &quot;out of the goodness of their hearts&quot; (least of all, without community momentum providing a different kind of incentive to participate).</div>
 <div><br></div><div>We finally have interest from folks to move the PHP library forward, and rather than have this work happen off to the side, I would really like to see this work happen in plain view, where others will see that this work is happening and then become interested in joining it.</div>
 <div><br></div><div>Ideally we will have a mix of board and regular members of the foundation running the project, and maintaining resources related to the libraries.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
 <div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br><div>While that decision can of course be overturned, I think the rationale for it is as good today as it was back then -- we want OpenID supporters to agree on the spec, and compete on implementations. In my view, that is essential for encouraging the growth of a healthy, innovative marketplace of both products and ideas.</div>
 <div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don&#39;t think that a spec alone is sufficient; you need high quality implementations that are also interoperable, and to that end, the foundation has an interest and responsibility to encourage the collaboration of implementors to create interoperable and compatible implementations.</div>
 <div><br></div><div>I also agree with using market mechanisms to increase competition, but I do not believe that competition will occur until you&#39;ve created a baseline playing field in which to compete. I do think that the popup/UI extension is one area were we&#39;re seeing alignment and competition occur, but it is work that is happening to fill a void that has been made manifest by all the different (and confusing) implementations of OpenID in the wild.</div>
 <div><br></div><div>In other words, I believe that we need planes that are proven to fly before we can expect people to build Harrier jump jets on their own. </div><div><br></div><div>I think that we&#39;ve made tremendous progress in the last six months on proving the viability of OpenID in the marketplace, but I think that we have to double-down and make it *much easier* to implement and adopt OpenID, and to have it work well out of the box for folks who have not been involved in this community or identity technology from the beginning.</div>
 <div><br></div><div>And that requires clean libraries and implementations that take little fore-knowledge for granted and lead the way towards deploying a successful implementation.</div><div><br></div><div>We don&#39;t have those resources assembled today.</div>
 <div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><br></div><div>There is nothing wrong in my for the foundation to encourage a vibrant OpenID open source project. Declaring it to be &quot;the one and only&quot; would be a big mistake, however. The naming that&#39;s proposed implies to me exactly that and that is worrying to me.</div>
 <div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I agree with this. And that&#39;s not what is implied or intended by hosting the OpenID libraries on Google Code. In fact, I hope that we can even provide pointers to (or checkouts of) competing implementations in the same language in the repository, but document their strengths and differences in an accessible way.</div>
 <div><br></div><div>At the same time, I think that the goal here is to bring together a great deal of effort and might to push these libraries forward; I&#39;m approaching using a method that I&#39;ve found successful in the past and will continue to pursue it unless or until someone proposes an alternative and is equally willing to seeing it through to completion.</div>
 <div><br></div><div>It isn&#39;t that my approach is the only one that will work, it&#39;s just that it&#39;s the one that I&#39;ve used successfully in the past and seems appropriate in this context as well.</div><div><br>
 </div><div>Chris</div><div> </div></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><br></div><div><div><div></div>
<div class="h5"><div><div><div></div><div> <div><br></div><div>On May 29, 2009, at 18:40, Chris Messina wrote:</div><br></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div></div><div><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Martin Atkins <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mart@degeneration.co.uk" target="_blank">mart@degeneration.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
 <div> <br></div> It seems that github also satisfies all of the above requirements, with the advantage of making it easier to pull changes from the individual maintainer repositories due to github being designed with this in mind. Github also supports multiple repositories per account, so each library can have its own repository, maintainers, etc.</blockquote>
 <div><br></div><div>Yes, but not everyone is familiar with GIT yet. SVN is much more widely known, I would think, in the general world of development at this time.</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m enamored by Github, but that doesn&#39;t mean that it&#39;s what everyone&#39;s using yet.</div>
 <div> </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">(I&#39;m also a little confused as to what the advantage is of having &quot;a central place to check out&quot;, given that the purpose of checking out is to contribute changes and changes will be contributed somewhere else. What is the purpose of checking out a working copy of repository other than the one you want to ultimately commit to?)<br>
 </blockquote><div><br></div><div>My goal is raise the visibility of the libraries and the current home on OpenIDEnabled.com has failed to produce a community of active maintainers, from what I&#39;ve seen.</div><div><br>
 </div> <div>Perhaps it&#39;s just a matter of setting up a page at <a href="http://openid.net/code" target="_blank">http://openid.net/code</a> that&#39;s a cleaned up version of <a href="http://wiki.openid.net/Libraries" target="_blank">http://wiki.openid.net/Libraries</a>. I could certainly start there.</div>
 <div><br></div><div>The purpose of checking out the latest stable version of a library (or even latest unstable branch) is to enable folks to run the latest code in their projects and then update them easily when new versions are released. Perhaps tarballs are sufficient, but it seems like giving different communities like WordPress a simple place to do an SVN checkout from would be valuable. </div>
 <div><br></div><div>Feel free to tell me I&#39;m wrong, or to support my proposal.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br> Both the PHP library and the Perl library I maintain are already on github. I&#39;d be happy to have the libnet-openid-perl repository on my github account (apparentlymart) forked into the openid account on github as long as someone&#39;s going to commit to maintaining that fork.</blockquote>
 <div><br></div><div>Unless someone steps up, it&#39;s unlikely to happen, I guess.</div><div><br></div><div>But therein lies the rub: we have failed to develop a community of maintainers for the OpenID libraries and I think we&#39;re worse off for it. I&#39;m attempting to get some momentum for such a community by centralizing at least a listing of the libraries in a familiar place that developers are used to seeing. </div>
 <div><br></div><div>GitHub doesn&#39;t provide a way to customize the homepage of a project, and so we need a place that is clean, approachable, well-designed and is easy for someone on the board (or some other dedicated community member(s)) to maintain.</div>
 </div><div><br></div>Again, I can start with creating a page on OpenID.net, but the symbolic achievement of having a central repository to me somehow seems important, and is what is motivating my desire to finally make this happen.<div>
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Johannes Ernst</div><div>NetMesh Inc.</div></span><br><span></span><span></span><span></span><span></span><span></span><span></span><span><img height="16" width="36" src="cid:8E3CF01A-8C8F-40BE-A755-B7A66851F15D"></span><span style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span> </span><span></span><span></span><span></span><span></span><span></span><span></span><span><img height="16" width="16" src="cid:F0DC1D67-F870-4FA4-99C3-8F6F2AD3BF18"></span><span style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-f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