<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I think that we have a bunch of changes piling up that are interrelated. This change makes sense in terms of making it faster to get started if the membership has a strong voice at the end. As it stands, the membership doesn't have a strong voice to stop something either at the beginning or the end.<div><br></div><div>--David</div><div><br><div><div>On Feb 27, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Mike Jones wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">The problem with this proposal is that it removes the community’s voice from the spec creation process. Our members should always be given the option to vote NOT TO create a working group as well as the option to vote TO create one. Otherwise, a working group can be created by a very small group of insiders, without the community serving as a check & balance.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">The current procedure, by design, always gives the community a voice, and the final say. I believe we got this principle right the first time.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> -- Mike<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:board-bounces@openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">board-bounces@openid.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:board-bounces@openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:board-bounces@openid.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Brian Kissel<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:27 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:board@openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">board@openid.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[OpenID board] Allen Tom's proposal on WG formation<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Seems this has some support and it would require a board and membership vote to implement, correct? Is there a motion to the board to make this change and a second? If so, we can start the notification clock for a board vote.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: navy; ">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: navy; "><br>Brian<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: navy; ">==============<o:p></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: navy; ">Brian Kissel<o:p></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: navy; ">Cell: 503.866.4424<o:p></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: navy; ">Fax: 503.296.5502<o:p></o:p></span></b></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:board-bounces@openid.net">board-bounces@openid.net</a> [<a href="mailto:board-bounces@openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:board-bounces@openid.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>David Recordon<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:57 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:board@openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">board@openid.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [OpenID board] [step2] OpenID UI Extension - Draft 0.1 (formerly known as the Popup Extension)<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">+1 (and minus the UX list)<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Feb 24, 2009, at 11:34 PM, Drummond Reed wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">+1.</span><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; "> </span><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; ">=Drummond</span><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: navy; "> </span><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="border-top-style: none; border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-left-style: solid; padding-top: 0in; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 4pt; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; "><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-align: center; "><span style="color: black; "><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center"></span></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black; ">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black; "> </span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black; "><a href="mailto:user-experience-bounces@openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">user-experience-bounces@openid.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:user-experience-bounces@openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:user-experience-bounces@openid.net</a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Breno de Medeiros<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, February 23, 2009 9:37 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>OpenID user experience<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:board@openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">board@openid.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [step2] OpenID UI Extension - Draft 0.1 (formerly known as the Popup Extension)</span><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">+1<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:04 AM, George Fletcher <<a href="mailto:gffletch@aol.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">gffletch@aol.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">+1<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><br><br>Allen Tom wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">I think that approval by the specs-council should be sufficient without a membership vote to start a WG. Alternatively, if the specs-council does not recommend approval, then the WG proposers could then appeal their case to the full membership.<br><br>Allen<br><br>Nat Sakimura wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><br>Guys: If you think the initial membership voting requirement is an<br>overkill, please raise your voice. I think this board can act swiftly<br>to look at it.<br><br>=nat<br> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><br>_______________________________________________<br>user-experience mailing list<br><a href="mailto:user-experience@openid.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">user-experience@openid.net</a><br><a href="http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/user-experience" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/user-experience</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; ">_______________________________________________<br>user-experience mailing list<br><a href="mailto:user-experience@openid.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">user-experience@openid.net</a><br><a href="http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/user-experience" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/user-experience</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="color: black; "><br><br clear="all"><br>--<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>--Breno<br><br>+1 (650) 214-1007 desk<br>+1 (408) 212-0135 (Grand Central)<br>MTV-41-3 : 383-A<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>PST (GMT-8) / PDT(GMT-7)<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: black; ">_______________________________________________<br>user-experience mailing list<br><a href="mailto:user-experience@openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">user-experience@openid.net</a><br><a href="http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/user-experience" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/user-experience</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br><br>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3889 (20090225) __________<br><br>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.<br><br><a href="http://www.eset.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.eset.com</a><o:p></o:p></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>board mailing list<br><a href="mailto:board@openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">board@openid.net</a><br><a href="http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board</a><br></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>