Hmmm. While this option sounds attractive, we might want to take two phased approach. <br>I have just made motions for the urgent things. If we start requirement gathering at this stage, it will delay these changes. <br><br>
So, my proposal is to do what the board vote approved in parallel to the longer term ammendment with requirement gatherings. (BTW, there are bunch of things that I want to list under this mid-term project.)<br><br>I will draft the ammendment to the Process document this weekend. <br>
<br>One of the motion is unrelated to the Process document, but to assign the committee liaison the power to take an initiative to facilitate and advance the specs process. i.e., David is now officially empowered to chase down the specs council members as well as to help out the proposers so that the process goes as quick as it can. <br>
<br>I have not seen much progress on OpenID+OAuth hybrid and CX specs council process. I hope this will improve the situation. <br><br>=nat<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 5:10 AM, David Recordon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@sixapart.com">david@sixapart.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="">Given that there are some other things we'd like to amend to the IPR Process, should we try to capture the entire list of changes we wish to make so we only need to do this once?<div>
<br></div><div><br><div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><div>On Jan 29, 2009, at 12:06 PM, Brian Kissel wrote:</div><br></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><span style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US">
<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">OK thanks Mike. Do we have a "members" email address to start the membership notification period?</span></div>
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<span style="color: navy;">Cheers,</span><span style="color: navy;"></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;"><br>Brian</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">
<b><span style="color: navy;">==============</span></b></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><b><span style="color: navy;">Brian Kissel</span></b></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">
<b><span style="color: navy;">Cell: 503.866.4424</span></b></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><b><span style="color: navy;">Fax: 503.296.5502</span></b></div></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;"><span> </span><a href="mailto:board-bounces@openid.net" target="_blank">board-bounces@openid.net</a> [<a href="mailto:board-bounces@openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank">mailto:board-bounces@openid.net</a>]<span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Mike Jones<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:55 AM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:board@openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank">board@openid.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [OpenID board] 4 spec process improvement board votes - results are in</span></div>
</div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"> </div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">We can not amend the process doc without a membership vote, and the following criteria being met, as per section 3.4 of the process:</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; text-align: justify; text-indent: -0.25in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Symbol;"><span>·<span> <span> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 8pt;">21 day notice period</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; text-align: justify; text-indent: -0.25in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Symbol;"><span>·<span> <span> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 8pt;">Multiple electronic notice required (if the OIDF member has provided multiple addresses), including to a "legal contact," if provided</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; text-align: justify; text-indent: -0.25in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Symbol;"><span>·<span> <span> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 8pt;">Prominent posting (at least 21 days in advance of the beginning of the voting period) on homepage of OIDF website</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; text-align: justify; text-indent: -0.25in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Symbol;"><span>·<span> <span> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 8pt;">7 day voting period after end of notice period (if vote is not taken at a properly-noticed meeting)</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; text-align: justify; text-indent: -0.25in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Symbol;"><span>·<span> <span> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 8pt;">OIDF members may designate a proxy from the member's registered OpenID identifier specifying the designated proxy's OpenID identifier</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; text-align: justify; text-indent: -0.25in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Symbol;"><span>·<span> <span> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 8pt;">Any approved change is prospective only</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; text-align: justify; text-indent: -0.25in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Symbol;"><span>·<span> <span> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 8pt;">Approval of a change requires<span> </span><b><u>either</u></b><span> </span>of the following:</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><b><u><span style="font-size: 8pt;">Approval Option 1</span></u></b></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; text-align: justify; text-indent: -0.25in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: 'Courier New';"><span>o<span> <span> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 8pt;">Quorum of greater of 60% of OIDF membership or 30 OIDF members (<b>no bypass option</b>)<span> </span><b>and</b></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; text-align: justify; text-indent: -0.25in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: 'Courier New';"><span>o<span> <span> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 8pt;">Supermajority vote of those constituting a quorum, plus a majority concurrence by the OIDF Board</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><b><u><span style="font-size: 8pt;">Approval Option 2</span></u></b></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; text-align: justify; text-indent: -0.25in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">
<span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: 'Courier New';"><span>o<span> <span> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 8pt;">Quorum of greater of 30% of OIDF membership or 30 OIDF members (<b>no bypass option</b>)<span> </span><b>and</b></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; text-align: justify; text-indent: -0.25in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: 'Courier New';"><span>o<span> <span> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 8pt;">Majority vote of those constituting a quorum, plus a supermajority concurrence by the entire OIDF Board (where "absents" and "abstains" count as "no" votes)</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 8pt;">Any change to the IPR Policy or Processes will not be effective until 21 days after approval, during which time then-current Contributors may withdraw in accordance with the IPR Policy or Processes as they existed prior to the change</span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">
<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Nat could produce an updated draft of the doc (which should have tracked changes on relative to the approved version) for legal membership review prior to the vote, but none of this can go into effect until the membership vote has occurred and met the criteria above.</span></div>
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<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> -- Mike</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div>
<div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top: 1pt solid rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;"><span> </span><a href="mailto:board-bounces@openid.net" target="_blank">board-bounces@openid.net</a> [<a href="mailto:board-bounces@openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank">mailto:board-bounces@openid.net</a>]<span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Brian Kissel<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:29 PM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:board@openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank">board@openid.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [OpenID board] 4 spec process improvement board votes - results are in</span></div>
</div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"> </div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks to everyone for your timely voting. While the polls are still open, all 4 of the motions made by Nat have passed. Nat can you take care of modifying the OpenID process document?</span></div>
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<span style="color: navy;">Cheers,</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;"><br>Brian</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">
<b><span style="color: navy;">==============</span></b></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><b><span style="color: navy;">Brian Kissel</span></b></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">
<b><span style="color: navy;">Cell: 503.866.4424</span></b></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><b><span style="color: navy;">Fax: 503.296.5502</span></b></div></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;"><span> </span>Brian Kissel<span> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:24 PM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:%27board@openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank">'board@openid.net</a>'<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>RE: 4 spec process improvement board votes - please go to the website and vote</span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">
</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Hello All, just a reminder to go to the website and vote on these 4 motions. To date we only have 5 votes and we need 7 for a majority decision.</span></div>
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<span style="color: navy;">Cheers,</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;"><br>Brian</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">
<b><span style="color: navy;">==============</span></b></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><b><span style="color: navy;">Brian Kissel</span></b></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">
<b><span style="color: navy;">Cell: 503.866.4424</span></b></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><b><span style="color: navy;">Fax: 503.296.5502</span></b></div></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top: 1pt solid rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;"><span> </span>Brian Kissel<span> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:16 PM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:board@openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank">board@openid.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>4 spec process improvement board votes</span></div>
</div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"> </div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">Hello OIDF board members,</div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"> </div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">The four spec process improvement motions made by Nat Sakimura and seconded by Brian Kissel have now completed the seven day notification and discussion period. Each motion is now available for board voting on the OIDF polling tool. A simple majority vote by 7 or more board members is required for approval on each motion. The vote ends on January 31<sup>st</sup>, 2009.</div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"> </div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;">Regards,</span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;"><span style="color: navy;"><br>Brian</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif;">
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<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Nat Sakimura (=nat)<br><a href="http://www.sakimura.org/en/">http://www.sakimura.org/en/</a><br>