<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV>I have concerns with both documents:</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>Formal IPR Policy:<DIV><A href="http://openid.net/wiki/index.php/Formal_IPR_Policy">http://openid.net/wiki/index.php/Formal_IPR_Policy</A><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Blanket Reciprocity term -- Sxip has significant Patents in this space and just giving all those patents that are not needed for implementing OpenID to any Contributor is a challenging issue for us and I would imagine a non-starter for large organizations. Perhaps I am missing something about the intent of this term</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Formal Process:</DIV><DIV>http://openid.net/wiki/index.php/Formal_Process</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>This is looking like the basis for a standards body now. I thought we had decided that we would move the specifications to a standards body so that we did not have to reinvent the wheel? Voting, membership, governance are big issues that are not defined in this document -- so even though it looks complex now, wait until those issues are dealt with!</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On 23-Apr-07, at 9:08 PM, Gabe Wachob wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV class="Section1"><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial">There’s now a “there” there. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial">Thanks to some prodding from Mike Jones, we had a spurt of activity this weekend (some of you have been cc’d on emails, some of you are blissfully ignorant). <BR> <BR> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial">The result is the following:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><SPAN style="mso-list:Ignore">1)<FONT size="1" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font:7.0pt " times="" new="" roman""=""> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Everyone (including esp Microsoft) would like to be able to close this IPR policy by IIW – that’s aggressive, but everyone seems aligned<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><SPAN style="mso-list:Ignore">2)<FONT size="1" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font:7.0pt " times="" new="" roman""=""> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">There’s a relatively concrete proposal for an IPR policy and lightweight process to enable that policy at <A href="http://openid.net/wiki/index.php/Formal_IPR_Policy">http://openid.net/wiki/index.php/Formal_IPR_Policy</A> and <A href="http://openid.net/wiki/index.php/Formal_Process">http://openid.net/wiki/index.php/Formal_Process</A> respectively<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><SPAN style="mso-list:Ignore">3)<FONT size="1" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font:7.0pt " times="" new="" roman""=""> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">I’m sure there will be some pushback as this is no small feat getting grassroots and big organizations to play in the same IPR sandbox. On the other hand, the IPR policy proposed by MS functionally equivalent in most of the big ways to the OSP, so things may go smoothly. There are outstanding questions, etc from Johannes and myself – however, I don’t consider my pushback to be all that critical and certainly not worth holding up the process. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><SPAN style="mso-list:Ignore">4)<FONT size="1" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font:7.0pt " times="" new="" roman""=""> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">There’s been agreement among several of us to set up <A href="mailto:legal@openid.net">legal@openid.net</A> – if someone opposes this (yet another list), please speak up. However, I think this is a truly distinct topic that is not going to attract the broad-base of interest that issues like security might have. In any case, we obviously need to move this discussion to the community. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><SPAN style="mso-list:Ignore">5)<FONT size="1" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font:7.0pt " times="" new="" roman""=""> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">We need to do some outreach to get some legal (and related) advice and input from other large organizations who are most interested in the IPR policy – I think between the board here we know all the relevant lawyers and opinionated people out there. My connections are with EFF and Berkeley people, and some open source folks… <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><SPAN style="mso-list:Ignore">6)<FONT size="1" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font:7.0pt " times="" new="" roman""=""> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">I will also post to the wiki a proposed plan for moving this forward very quickly. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><SPAN style="mso-list:Ignore">7)<FONT size="1" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font:7.0pt " times="" new="" roman""=""> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Did I mention already we want to get this done by IIW? ;-)<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial"><O:P> </O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in"><FONT size="2" face="Arial"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">-Gabe<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> </DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">board mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">board@openid.net</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>