[OpenID board] Motion: allow use of OpenID trademark on Google Code (part 1 of 2)

David Recordon david at sixapart.com
Mon Jun 1 19:21:41 UTC 2009

Thanks for chiming in Jonathan!  It's great to have you share your  
experiences directly here versus my only being able to share stories  
like your own I've been hearing the past six months.


On Jun 1, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Jonathan Coffman wrote:

> I’ll chime in as a business owner who is fluent in some of the  
> technical issues around OpenID and I’ll say that in our experience,  
> finding the various libraries has been more laborious than we had  
> anticipated.
> Ie — it took a lot of time for my developers to track down what the  
> ‘most recently updated’ library for given technologies were and  
> having information like that presented in a uniform or centralized  
> manner would be wonderful.
> -Jonathan
> On 6/1/09 3:00 PM, "David Recordon" <david at sixapart.com> wrote:
>> So far Chris made the proposal and I've expressed support for it.   
>> Given that no other board members have participated in the  
>> discussion, I'm guessing that most board memebers don't have strong  
>> opinions on the matter.  We could either:
>> 1) try to encourage additional discussion among board members and  
>> the community
>> 2) accept this as a valid motion and have Don schedule an  
>> electronic vote
>> 3) discuss this on our executive committee call next week and make  
>> a decision there
>> Don, can you please help move this discussion/decision forward?
>> Thanks,
>> --David
>> On Jun 1, 2009, at 11:55 AM, DeWitt Clinton wrote:
>>> Can we at least decide one way or the other whether I can open the  
>>> openid.googlecode.com <http://openid.googlecode.com>  project up  
>>> to Chris and others representing the OIDF?
>>> -DeWitt
>>>  On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 11:47 AM, David Recordon  
>>> <david at sixapart.com> wrote:
>>>> No, Heraldry failed because the two companies responsible for the  
>>>> majority of OpenID implementations at the time didn't want to  
>>>> work within the ASF's process.  This is one of the reasons why  
>>>> community based open source development is important beyond just  
>>>> corporate backed development.
>>>> I think Chris' proposal is sound, he has buy in from various  
>>>> library contributors, we have a way to let people like Mart  
>>>> continue developing on GitHub, and I'm not seeing a concrete  
>>>> alternative proposal with someone willing to lead it and make it  
>>>> happen like Chris is.  So I'm sorry, but can we please move  
>>>> forward?
>>>> If we believe that the best path forward is for Chris to first  
>>>> make http://openid.net/code then lets do that, but I agree with  
>>>> him that an OpenID Google Code project is a demonstrable piece of  
>>>> forward momentum.  The wider developer community has expressed  
>>>> many times over that OpenID's libraries are not of the quality  
>>>> that they need to be and it is the Foundation's job to help fix  
>>>> that.
>>>> --David
>>>> On Jun 1, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Johannes Ernst wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Johannes Ernst <jernst at netmesh.us 
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>> We had this discussion before and it lead to the Apache  
>>>>>>> incubator named Heraldry. Admittedly that one failed, but I  
>>>>>>> don't think it was because of the name ;-)
>>>>>> If it wasn't the name, can you describe why it failed. I've  
>>>>>> heard of Heraldry, but am not familiar with its structure or  
>>>>>> fate.
>>>>> The idea was to incubate within the Apache Software Foundation  
>>>>> an open-source project developing OpenID-related functionality.  
>>>>> Libraries were donated into it, and an entire OpenID provider  
>>>>> was donated into it. There was broad support from all parts of  
>>>>> the OpenID community. We figured being associated with the ASF  
>>>>> would not be a bad idea, and the Apache license sounded good, too.
>>>>> The incubation process failed because basically nobody "did  
>>>>> anything" in terms of writing code.
>>>>>> I am curious how you think that the foundation should best go  
>>>>>> about creating or facilitating the creation of the  
>>>>>> circumstances that would lead to world-class open source OpenID  
>>>>>> libraries being developed.
>>>>>> I haven't heard alternative proposals, but I have received some  
>>>>>> negative feedback towards my proposals, and yet the libraries  
>>>>>> are still not writing themselves.
>>>>>  Well, from what I can see the openid4java project has some  
>>>>> traction. It is my understanding that code from that project has  
>>>>> been incorporated into some large-scale commercial offerings.  
>>>>> It's a small community but it is active and has been for a  
>>>>> while. So they are doing something right. Perhaps one could  
>>>>> attempt to broaden that project beyond Java?
>>>>> I think a similar question needs to be asked about commercial/ 
>>>>> proprietary implementations. There aren't a whole lot of those  
>>>>> either. I would stipulate that it is for the same reason.
>>>>> Now stop me because I'm about the speculate why that is. ;-) But  
>>>>> that wasn't your question.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Johannes.
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