[OpenID board] Motion: allow use of OpenID trademark on Google Code (part 1 of 2)

David Recordon david at sixapart.com
Mon Jun 1 18:47:41 UTC 2009

No, Heraldry failed because the two companies responsible for the  
majority of OpenID implementations at the time didn't want to work  
within the ASF's process.  This is one of the reasons why community  
based open source development is important beyond just corporate  
backed development.

I think Chris' proposal is sound, he has buy in from various library  
contributors, we have a way to let people like Mart continue  
developing on GitHub, and I'm not seeing a concrete alternative  
proposal with someone willing to lead it and make it happen like Chris  
is.  So I'm sorry, but can we please move forward?

If we believe that the best path forward is for Chris to first make http://openid.net/code 
  then lets do that, but I agree with him that an OpenID Google Code  
project is a demonstrable piece of forward momentum.  The wider  
developer community has expressed many times over that OpenID's  
libraries are not of the quality that they need to be and it is the  
Foundation's job to help fix that.


On Jun 1, 2009, at 8:38 AM, Johannes Ernst wrote:

>> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Johannes Ernst  
>> <jernst at netmesh.us> wrote:
>> We had this discussion before and it lead to the Apache incubator  
>> named Heraldry. Admittedly that one failed, but I don't think it  
>> was because of the name ;-)
>> If it wasn't the name, can you describe why it failed. I've heard  
>> of Heraldry, but am not familiar with its structure or fate.
> The idea was to incubate within the Apache Software Foundation an  
> open-source project developing OpenID-related functionality.  
> Libraries were donated into it, and an entire OpenID provider was  
> donated into it. There was broad support from all parts of the  
> OpenID community. We figured being associated with the ASF would not  
> be a bad idea, and the Apache license sounded good, too.
> The incubation process failed because basically nobody "did  
> anything" in terms of writing code.
>> I am curious how you think that the foundation should best go about  
>> creating or facilitating the creation of the circumstances that  
>> would lead to world-class open source OpenID libraries being  
>> developed.
>> I haven't heard alternative proposals, but I have received some  
>> negative feedback towards my proposals, and yet the libraries are  
>> still not writing themselves.
> Well, from what I can see the openid4java project has some traction.  
> It is my understanding that code from that project has been  
> incorporated into some large-scale commercial offerings. It's a  
> small community but it is active and has been for a while. So they  
> are doing something right. Perhaps one could attempt to broaden that  
> project beyond Java?
> I think a similar question needs to be asked about commercial/ 
> proprietary implementations. There aren't a whole lot of those  
> either. I would stipulate that it is for the same reason.
> Now stop me because I'm about the speculate why that is. ;-) But  
> that wasn't your question.
> Cheers,
> Johannes.
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