[OpenID board] First board meeting of 2009 ...

Johannes Ernst jernst at netmesh.us
Thu Jan 8 02:51:38 UTC 2009 

That's why I obliquely stated "adjusted if needed, and ... committed  
to doing" ;-)

One of the points of contention during the election could be explained  
that such a document -- and more importantly, a commitment to an  
agreement of this kind as it might be captured in a document -- has  
not existed so far.



On Jan 7, 2009, at 17:48, Nat wrote:

> Thanks Johhaness, but I have posted my message after having seen it.  
> The bylaw by its nature is stating only the minimal. I suppose there  
> are much more than that in reality. There has to be strategic  
> planning excercise every year, has to meet in person for some  
> minimum number of times, travel to speaking events, etc. just to  
> state a few.
>
> All these implies some kind of qualification both from the personal  
> ability, time, and costwise, and they are important criteria for the  
> officer selection.
>
> If there us not, the historical experience is also good to have.
> Is there a concise document like that?
>
>
> =nat at TOKYO via iPhone
>
> On 2009/01/07, at 15:47, Johannes Ernst <jernst at netmesh.us> wrote:
>
>> There are in the bylaws.
>>
>> It'd be great if the new board reviewed those, adjusted if needed,  
>> and if the new officers committed to doing what it says there.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 6, 2009, at 22:13, Nat Sakimura wrote:
>>
>>> By the way, is there a job description for each officer seats  
>>> noted somewhere?
>>>
>>> I would love to see it.
>>>
>>> =nat
>>>
>>> Scott Kveton wrote:
>>>> +1 ... this would be a great thing to clarify in the by-laws ...  
>>>> I'll
>>>> make a note of it.
>>>>
>>>> - Scott
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Mike Jones <Michael.Jones at microsoft.com 
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am a board member appointed by Microsoft just like you are a  
>>>>> board member elected by the membership.  Both of us serve as  
>>>>> individuals, albeit, with different procedures that granted us  
>>>>> our board seats (both of which procedures were approved by the  
>>>>> previous board).
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft's membership class in OIDF gives them a right to  
>>>>> appoint a board member.  The corporation is not the board member.
>>>>>
>>>>> Should I no longer be Microsoft's board representative (as they  
>>>>> do have the right to replace me) and I am elected to an officer  
>>>>> position, that position would go vacant and the vacancy would  
>>>>> have to be filled a special officer election by the board.
>>>>>
>>>>> You would be choosing me -- not Microsoft.  Hope this clarifies  
>>>>> things.
>>>>>
>>>>>                             -- Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: board-bounces at openid.net [mailto:board-bounces at openid.net]  
>>>>> On Behalf Of David Recordon
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:12 PM
>>>>> To: board at openid.net
>>>>> Cc: =nat
>>>>> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] First board meeting of 2009 ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike et al,
>>>>> I think some of where this breaks down is around who the board  
>>>>> member
>>>>> is.  My understanding is that Microsoft -- the corporation -- is a
>>>>> board member who is represented by Mike Jones -- the person.  I  
>>>>> thus
>>>>> do not see how it makes sense for Microsoft to hold an officer
>>>>> position within the Foundation.
>>>>>
>>>>> --David
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 6, 2009, at 12:15 AM, Mike Jones wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You can find the last set of approved bylaws at http://openid.net/wordpress-content/uploads/2008/11/adopted-bylaws-openid-foundation-june-2007.pdf
>>>>>> .  Unfortunately, they're so old as to not even discuss the  
>>>>>> addition
>>>>>> of the new corporate board members.  (Updating to bylaws to match
>>>>>> the reality of the decisions made by the board in the last year- 
>>>>>> and-
>>>>>> a-half is one of the things that just plain didn't happen during
>>>>>> this board's tenure.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for being one board, we clarified this point by a vote of the
>>>>>> board on April 24th, 2008.  The minutes record this motion  
>>>>>> passing
>>>>>> unanimously:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Motion 1: Henceforward, all votes about any matters affecting  
>>>>>> OIDF
>>>>>> and its board will be open to all board members.
>>>>>> As per normal ethical conduct guidelines, individual board  
>>>>>> members
>>>>>> are expected to recuse themselves in cases of conflicts of  
>>>>>> interest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While the text of the motion only talks about votes, the spirit  
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> what we clarifying with the motion was best summed up in David
>>>>>> Recordon's message of April 21st, 2008:  "+1 to Mike's motion.
>>>>>> We're one board. :)".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Other than that they are selected via different mechanisms and  
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> there must always be at least one more community corporate board
>>>>>> member than corporate board member, there's no difference in the
>>>>>> rights and responsibilities of the two kinds of board members.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To make this concrete, I believe that it would benefit the
>>>>>> foundation if I were elected to one of the officer positions --
>>>>>> possibly Vice-President, but would be open to other  
>>>>>> possibilities.
>>>>>> The reason that I believe you want me as an officer is that I  
>>>>>> have a
>>>>>> strong, demonstrated track record of getting things done for the
>>>>>> foundation.  Those things include (in roughly reverse  
>>>>>> chronological
>>>>>> order) chairing the elections committee (which brought you the
>>>>>> recent election), starting and co-chairing the PAPE working group
>>>>>> (demonstrating that the IPR policy works and producing a useful
>>>>>> spec), serving on the specs council and trying to get it to  
>>>>>> respond
>>>>>> in a timely fashion (still a work in progress), co-chairing the
>>>>>> local chapters committee (which brought you the approved local
>>>>>> chapters policy), and shepherding the process of writing and  
>>>>>> getting
>>>>>> approval for the IPR policy and procedures.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                            Best wishes,
>>>>>>                            -- Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: board-bounces at openid.net [mailto:board- 
>>>>>> bounces at openid.net] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of chris.messina at gmail.com
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 2:58 PM
>>>>>> To: Raj Mata
>>>>>> Cc: board at openid.net; =nat
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] First board meeting of 2009 ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anyone point me to the bylaws concerning corporate  
>>>>>> membership? I'd
>>>>>> like to understand more about the restrictions or  
>>>>>> responsibilities (if
>>>>>> any) placed on such memberships.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/5/09, Raj Mata <rajmata at yahoo-inc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just got back from vacation, and have been catching up on my  
>>>>>>> emails.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First of all, wish everyone a terrific 2009!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Second, congratulations to the new board members (and thank you
>>>>>>> Mike for
>>>>>>> making the elections a reality!)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regarding this thread below, my understanding is:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a) The executive committee is comprised of 5 board members  
>>>>>>> (The four
>>>>>>> current officers called out by Scott below + a working group
>>>>>>> liaison as
>>>>>>> called out by Mike)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> b) There is no requirement or distinction between corporate or
>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>> members for the executive committee i.e. the executive committee
>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>> theoretically be all 5 community board members or all 5  
>>>>>>> corporate
>>>>>>> board
>>>>>>> members. Once we have a board, then it is purely a matter of
>>>>>>> picking the
>>>>>>> right people from the board who have the skills and bandwidth  
>>>>>>> to do
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> job.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did I get that right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Raj
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: board-bounces at openid.net [mailto:board- 
>>>>>>> bounces at openid.net] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mike Jones
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 10:04 AM
>>>>>>> To: board at openid.net; Chris Messina
>>>>>>> Cc: =nat
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] First board meeting of 2009 ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm the 5th board member on the current Executive Committee --  
>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>> role of liaison to the working groups.  I'm also one of two
>>>>>>> board-appointed members to the Specifications Council.  (The  
>>>>>>> other is
>>>>>>> Dick Hardt.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                           -- Mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: board-bounces at openid.net [mailto:board- 
>>>>>>> bounces at openid.net] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Scott Kveton
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 10:59 AM
>>>>>>> To: Chris Messina
>>>>>>> Cc: board at openid.net; =nat
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] First board meeting of 2009 ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The 8th is good for me as well.
>>>>>>>> Which officer positions are available, how do we go about  
>>>>>>>> picking
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> them, and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> who served them on the previous board? Are there any transition
>>>>>>>> plans?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All of the officer positions are available ... we have to fill  
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>> is currently in them:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chair - Scott Kveton
>>>>>>> Vice-Chair - David Recordon
>>>>>>> Secretary - Martin Atkins
>>>>>>> Treasurer - Dick Hardt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Executive Committee is made up of these officers and one  
>>>>>>> member
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the corporate board and was put together to help execute on  
>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>> without having the entire board involved in every decision.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The transition plan should be easy enough.  Bill Washburn has  
>>>>>>> cooked
>>>>>>> up a transition plan for the ED (once we figure out what we're  
>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>> there) and I've been involved in the finances enough to be  
>>>>>>> able to
>>>>>>> help with that as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We'll want to make sure we transition the committees
>>>>>>> appropriately ...
>>>>>>> I don't think there is any requirement that committees be made  
>>>>>>> up or
>>>>>>> chaired by board members but we'll want to make sure that  
>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>> is taken care of.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Scott
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>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Chris Messina
>>>>>> Citizen-Participant &
>>>>>> Open Web Advocate-at-Large
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