[OpenID board] [board-private] FW: PAPE Specification Review Period Commencing

Mike Jones Michael.Jones at microsoft.com
Thu Oct 23 16:58:38 UTC 2008

The relevant language in the IPR Procedures document is:
*         Prominent posting (at least 14 days in advance of the beginning of the voting period) on homepage of OIDF website (but solely for votes to approve Implementers' Drafts, Final Specifications, and Errata)

No, upon re-reading, it doesn't literally say that notification of the review period must also occur via the home page, but given that the "prominent posting" of the vote is required to be on the home page, it's also reasonable to interpret the intent of the procedures to assume that the review period notification should be just as prominent as the voting notification, which follows it.

Besides - this is good news that we should want to share with the community!  We're nearly done with the first specification to come through the process.  That's worth telling everyone about!

I agree that a different post could have been written, but given that that was the notification text approved by the working group, I posted exactly that.  You are a member of that working group and didn't suggest any changes to the text at the time, which you could have.  Maybe you can communicate any additional messages you'd like to see go out about this on your personal blog.  I already did the same at http://self-issued.info/?p=88.

As a courtesy, I also gave the board a heads-up of most of a day before posting - notifying them immediately after the working group decision to send the draft out occurred, at noon.  No one proposed any changes, including yourself.

I'm sorry that you're disappointed.  I'm trying to drive progress for the community here and letting people know that that progress is occurring is important, which was my intent.  I believe we accomplished that with the post.

I might have expected a "thank you for helping get us to this point".  Instead I was surprised to receive criticism for using wording that you reviewed and were part of the approval process for.  I hope, upon reflection, you'll realize that my intentions were good and that I was trying to get the good news out so that the community will be aware of the genuine progress that we've made.

                                                                -- Mike

P.S.  As for ridiculous HTML markup, I believe that I pasted the text from the e-mail message (not from Word) directly into WordPress, which is responsible for the markup.  I'm not sure what this issue is here.  It looks fine to me, both in IE and Firefox.  Is there an issue where it displays incorrectly in Safari?  I guess in the future I could paste the text into Notepad to remove any formatting and then paste that into WordPress, but I don't see that any harm was done here.  Do you?

From: David Recordon [mailto:drecordon at sixapart.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:53 AM
To: Mike Jones
Cc: board at openid.net; Brian Kissel
Subject: Re: [board-private] FW: PAPE Specification Review Period Commencing

I don't see where the IPR Process or Policy states that.  The closest I see is "The applicable WG Editor(s) will post the draft for review by Contributors to the applicable WG, and by the Board, and promptly notify these Contributors and the Board that the draft is available for review."  "openid.net" is mentioned five times throughout the two documents with no where saying "the home page of openid.net".

What frustrates me is that the audience of the OpenID blog is not one that understands IPR or what this review period means.  It would have been far more impactful to tie this back to other posts about PAPE, explain again what PAPE is any why it matters, and explain what this review period means for implementers.  It also would be nice if the post didn't contain all sorts of ridiculous HTML markup from being composed in Microsoft Word.

I'm quite honestly really disappointed and don't see why this needs to be on the board-private mailing list (thus moving).


On Oct 23, 2008, at 8:45 AM, Mike Jones wrote:

We were required by the IPR Procedures to post it yesterday as part of the announcement for the 60-day public review period.  It went up yesterday with exactly the text below, which was approved by the PAPE working group.  See http://openid.net/2008/10/23/pape-specification-review-period-commencing/.

                                                                -- Mike

From: David Recordon [mailto:drecordon at sixapart.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:42 AM
To: board-private at openid.net<mailto:board-private at openid.net>; Mike Jones
Cc: Brian Kissel
Subject: Re: [board-private] FW: PAPE Specification Review Period Commencing

Given the audience of OpenID.net I'd like to work with you to edit this blog post.  When do you wish to post it?

On Oct 22, 2008, at 1:22 PM, Mike Jones wrote:

Our IPR procedures require announcing the review of a proposed final specification on the home page of openid.net.  Unless I hear objections soon, I will make a blog post on OpenID.net containing the text below.

                                                                -- Mike

From: general-bounces at openid.net<mailto:general-bounces at openid.net> [mailto:general-bounces at openid.net] On Behalf Of Mike Jones
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 12:00 PM
To: specs at openid.net<mailto:specs at openid.net>; general at openid.net<mailto:general at openid.net>
Subject: [OpenID] PAPE Specification Review Period Commencing

The OpenID Provider Authentication Policy Extension (PAPE) Working Group recommends approval of PAPE Draft 7 as an OpenID Specification.  The draft is available at these locations:

This note starts the 60 day public review period for the specification draft in accordance with the OpenID Foundation IPR policies and procedures.  This review period will end on Sunday, December 21st.  Unless issues are identified during the review that the working group believes must be addressed by revising the draft, this review period will be followed by a seven day voting period during which OpenID Foundation members will vote on whether to approve this draft as an OpenID Specification.

As background, the proposal to create the working group, which the membership approved, is available at http://openid.net/pipermail/specs/2008-May/002323.html.  The specifications council report on the creation of the working group is available at http://openid.net/pipermail/specs/2008-May/002326.html.

                                                -- Mike

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