[OpenID board] Draft guidelines for local chapters

Drummond Reed drummond.reed at cordance.net
Thu Feb 28 22:05:22 UTC 2008


Nat, Snorri:

On the OpenID board call today, we discussed and agreed on a practical
approach RE the issue of OIDF funding for local chapters. As Mike put it in
his email about the policy:

	"Local chapters must operate with no expectation of receiving funds
from the OIDF.  However, they may apply to the OIDF board for funding of
specific activities or events and these requests will be considered on their
merits."

I just wanted to reinforce that this is a straightforward policy solution to
two competing objectives: making sure that there is no automatic expectation
that local chapters will receive any funds (otherwise they will be started
for that reason alone), while at the same time making sure that local
chapters that have legitimate needs for funding have a clear channel to
request it.

I think this is consistent with our other solutions for governance and
organization that is as lightweight and self-organized as possible.

Best,

=Drummond 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: board-bounces at openid.net [mailto:board-bounces at openid.net] On Behalf
> Of Snorri
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:52 AM
> To: board at openid.net
> Cc: 'Nat Sakimura'
> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] Draft guidelines for local chapters
> 
> +1 I'm perfectly connect with the Nat's thoughts!
> 
> I understand the imposing and necessary layers of OIDF but in Europe to
> continue to develop seriously OpenID we need to have a budget (e.g.: plans
> to organize 2 times a year in a European city an OpenID Dev/Barcamp like
> SF)
> and it's for that, that we propose now "join the OIDE"... others ideas are
> welcome! :)
> 
> Of course I think it's important to manage the budget by
> Continents/International but after to live is evident that the local
> initiative need also financial help (travel, event, lunch...) to really
> work!
> 
> At OIDE, we think help the "National" initiatives with the advice of
> Representative Member.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> -Snorri
> 
> 
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : board-bounces at openid.net [mailto:board-bounces at openid.net] De la part
> de Mike Jones
> Envoyé : jeudi 28 février 2008 17:58
> À : board at openid.net
> Cc : Nat Sakimura
> Objet : Re: [OpenID board] Draft guidelines for local chapters
> 
> Actually, as I see it, imposing layers and a rigid local chapter hierarchy
> and structure is what is likely to cause management, compliance, and
> budgeting problems for OIDF.
> 
> Local chapters should be entirely self-organizing, with the only
> requirement
> for recognition of them by OIDF being that they agree to abide by the
> guidelines and demonstrate liveness.  The thing that matters isn't the
> structure or organization of the chapters.  What matters is whether they
> have motivated, active organizers, and do things to promote OpenID.
> 
> As per budgets, local chapters should no expectation of receiving any
> money
> from the OIDF.  They should be entirely self-organizing and self-
> sustaining.
> 
>                                 My two cents worth...
>                                 -- Mike
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: board-bounces at openid.net [mailto:board-bounces at openid.net] On Behalf
> Of Nat Sakimura
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 8:46 AM
> To: board at openid.net
> Cc: Nat Sakimura
> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] Draft guidelines for local chapters
> 
> I feel like too many fragmented chapters in one level would cause
> management, compliance, and budgeting problem for OIDF. While it is
> appealing to envisage school level chapters and national level
> chapters equal, I feel that it is more practical to introduce some
> layers there like many sports organizations are organized.
> 
> For example, in our case
> 
> OpenID Foundation (International)
> - OIDF Continents (e.g., OpenID Europe)
> -- OIDF National (e.g., OpenID U.S., Canada, France, Japan, etc. )
> --- OIDF States (e.g., California, Tokyo, Manitoba, etc.)
> ----- OIDF Regional (can be cities, schools, etc.)
> 
> In the beginning, I think there would be OIDF International and National.
> In areas like Europe, where EU like thing already exist, Continent
> level one can also be organized.
> 
> It would also help to establish a guideline for budget distribution as
> well.
> In general, after taking the budget for the international activities,
> it will be allocated to the National level organization, and they will
> be further allocated to the down stream. We need to do the decision
> closer to the edge. At the same time, however, we have to keep track
> of the effectiveness, book, and compliance, which will be an overhead
> for the organizations. This means, to be viable as a chapter, they
> need to be above certain size as well. So, it will actually help to
> group them together like the above so that for the organizations below
> certain level, the one above it can take care and absorb those
> overhead.
> 
> Sorry to talk about economics of these things, but usually, if
> economics does not work out, things will not work out after all.
> 
> 
> 2008/2/28, Snorri <snorri at snorri.eu>:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Mike,
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes for University/students of course you are right! Or in countries
> with
> no
> > much Internet surfers...
> >
> > (and it's a first step)
> >
> >
> >
> > But attention to propose a model close the Wikimedia Foundation...
> OpenID
> is
> > really different...
> >
> >
> >
> > I think is important to have a strong visibility on the local chapter to
> > avoid the drifts!
> >
> > And unfortunately too free management offers these possibilities...
> >
> >
> >
> > A good legal way would be to propose a "Trust Large local chapter" like
> OIDE
> >
> > Tomorrow why not "OIDA" (OpenID Asia, I help the community to start),
> > "OpenID Africa & Middle East" and "OpenID Latina" to organize their
> network
> > and relieve an excessive work for OIDF.
> >
> >
> >
> > Soon, I'm at your disposal...
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> >
> > -Snorri
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > De : board-bounces at openid.net [mailto:board-bounces at openid.net] De la
> part
> > de Mike Jones
> >  Envoyé : mercredi 27 février 2008 19:11
> >  À : board at openid.net
> >  Cc : 'Nat Sakimura'
> >  Objet : Re: [OpenID board] Draft guidelines for local chapters
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Snorri,
> >
> >
> >
> > I agree that recognizing local chapters that are formal legal entities
> is
> a
> > good thing.  But I'm also going to be an advocate for recognizing very
> > light-weight, self-organized local chapters.  As a thought experiment,
> for
> > instance, I would want us to also be able to recognize chapters that are
> as
> > informal as local OpenID chapters organized as clubs in high schools.
> If
> I
> > was in high school now, for instance, I might start the Worthington High
> > School OpenID Chapter.  (I was a founder of an informal group in our
> high
> > school called the "Computer Wizards" that ran for many years. J)  We
> want
> to
> > encourage light-weight grass-roots chapters like this, as well as those
> that
> > are formal legal entities.
> >
> >
> >
> > Glad you'll be working on these guidelines with us!
> >
> >
> >
> >                                                 My two
> > cents worth...
> >
> >                                                 -- Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >  ________________________________
> >
> >
> > From: board-bounces at openid.net [mailto:board-bounces at openid.net] On
> Behalf
> > Of Snorri
> >  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 9:57 AM
> >  To: board at openid.net
> >  Cc: 'Nat Sakimura'
> >  Subject: Re: [OpenID board] Draft guidelines for local chapters
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Mike,
> >
> >
> >
> > Very good guideline, in Europe the organization is very similar!
> >
> >  We have already 4 local chapters (OpenID France incorporated since 2007
> +
> 3
> > new the next month).
> >
> >
> >
> > But as there are already a community (with Representative Member in 18
> > countries, soon in 21), we think is better and more serious to accept
> only
> > formal legal entities.
> >
> >
> >
> > The Number of 3 member is good but depending of the countries (e.g.: in
> > France the minimum is 2 while in Poland it is 15)
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm free to work actively on these guidelines (we have already started
> to
> > work on legal documents)
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> >
> > -Snorri
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > De : board-bounces at openid.net [mailto:board-bounces at openid.net] De la
> part
> > de Mike Jones
> >  Envoyé : mercredi 27 février 2008 16:48
> >  À : board at openid.net
> >  Cc : Nat Sakimura
> >  Objet : [OpenID board] Draft guidelines for local chapters
> >
> >
> >
> > As per our discussion on the last board call, here are some of my
> thoughts
> > about local chapters, based on my experience with USENIX local chapters.
> >
> >
> >
> >   - Local chapter members must be members of the OIDF.
> >
> >   - Local chapters can either be informal organizations or formal legal
> > entities, which is a decision we can leave to the organizers.
> >
> >   - Local chapters must register with OIDF.
> >
> >   - Local chapters must have a designated leadership team of at least
> three
> > people.
> >
> >   - Local chapters should have their own web site listing events and
> news.
> >
> >   - Local chapter sites are the responsibility of the chapter
> organizers,
> > not the OIDF staff and volunteers.
> >
> >   - We should allow any three OIDF members who declare themselves to be
> the
> > leadership team for a local chapter to create one.  We should *not*
> express
> > any favoritism between local chapters, even if multiple competing
> chapters
> > form in a given region or city.
> >
> >   - To be recognized by the OIDF, chapters must agree that their
> activities
> > will be for the purpose of supporting the OIDF and OpenID, not competing
> > with the OIDF in any way.  They must agree, for instance, that any
> > intellectual property or trademarks developed or held by the local
> chapter
> > must either be owned by OIDF, jointly owned by the OIDF, or licensed to
> the
> > OIDF under terms that allow OIDF to use them in whatever way it sees
> fit,
> > including sublicensing to others under terms of its choosing.
> >
> >   - Chapters must exhibit "liveness" to remain recognized by the OIDF.
> At
> > least every 6 months, the leaders should report on their chapter
> activities.
> >  Meetings are good.  Evidence of an active mailing list is sufficient.
> > Making no report of activities when requested to do so is grounds for
> > de-listing the chapter.
> >
> >   - There should be a "Local Chapters" committee authorized by the board
> > that is the interface to the local chapters.  It's fine for this
> committee
> > to include some non-board members.  In fact, while I would have at least
> one
> > board liaison to the committee, it would be a good idea to have several
> > local chapter leaders on the committee as well.
> >
> >   - In return for local chapters registering with the OIDF, we will list
> the
> > chapter on the OIDF website in a list sorted by geography, providing
> contact
> > information for the chapter.
> >
> >
> >
> > We should add an addenda item to the board call to discuss these
> guidelines.
> >
> >
> >
> > So who wants to be on the Local Chapters committee and what external
> members
> > should we recruit?
> >
> >
> >
> >                                                 Best
> > wishes,
> >
> >                                                 -- Mike
> >
> >
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> 
> 
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