[OpenID board] Funding Proposal

Dick Hardt dick at sxip.com
Tue Apr 10 02:07:32 UTC 2007


It is a sponsorship, not a donation -- so a small company that is  
focussed on OpenID might be interested in a large sponsorship.

On 9-Apr-07, at 4:23 PM, Artur Bergman wrote:

> I guess my one thought would be, would a small company be likely to
> consider donating such large amounts?
>
> On Apr 9, 2007, at 4:16 PM, Dick Hardt wrote:
>
>> Note it is a much bigger incentive for a large company ($10K) vs a
>> smaller company ($1K)
>> That is a distortion that I think we should avoid.
>>
>> -- Dick
>>
>> On 9-Apr-07, at 4:11 PM, Artur Bergman wrote:
>>
>>> I would agree in general  with Dick. Membership is a cost of doing
>>> business while sponsorship is more fuzzy marketing and feelgood. I
>>> not entirely convinced about the gold and platinum levels, since it
>>> is an incentive to get them to donate more, but I have no strong
>>> opinions either way.
>>>
>>> Artur
>>>
>>> On Apr 9, 2007, at 4:02 PM, Dick Hardt wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would keep it simple and keep the sponsorship and membership
>>>> revenue separated.
>>>>
>>>> Organizations will have different motivations for each financial
>>>> commitment, and it creates an unfair value to larger
>>>> organizations to
>>>> combine them.
>>>>
>>>> -- Dick
>>>>
>>>> On 9-Apr-07, at 3:58 PM, Recordon, David wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've added you to be able to edit the wiki article.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) I don't think there is a problem condensing it into "Members"
>>>>> and
>>>>> "Donors/Sponsors".  I think we separated it to really call out the
>>>>> difference in this document to how participation is possible.
>>>>> Agree
>>>>> though that it may make it easier to understand with Donors and
>>>>> Sponsors
>>>>> merged into one group.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) I'm having a bit of trouble with the math for what you
>>>>> proposed.  I
>>>>> think in some cases it may incent an additional donation,  
>>>>> though in
>>>>> the
>>>>> case where membership fee is $2,500 a year it gets them membership
>>>>> plus
>>>>> Bronze sponsorship for only $5,625 which is much lower than the
>>>>> currently proposed $7,500.  So really membership (for  
>>>>> organizations
>>>>> <=1000 employees) turns into 25% of membership fee + Bronze
>>>>> sponsorship.
>>>>> Thinking (if my math here is right) that it is better to keep it
>>>>> for
>>>>> Gold and Platinum to include membership (maybe Silver as well for
>>>>> organizations <=1000 employees) both from the financial side  
>>>>> and to
>>>>> keep
>>>>> all the math simple.
>>>>>
>>>>> My $0.02.
>>>>>
>>>>> --David
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: board-bounces at openid.net [mailto:board- 
>>>>> bounces at openid.net] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Drummond Reed
>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 3:37 PM
>>>>> To: board at openid.net
>>>>> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] Funding Proposal
>>>>>
>>>>> I too agree this is a very good proposal that offers a nice
>>>>> "hybrid"
>>>>> model.
>>>>> Two suggestions for how to simplify/strengthen it further:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Currently it has three $ categories: donations, members, and
>>>>> sponsors. We could simplify it down to two: "Members" and
>>>>> "Donors/Sponsors". Members has associated fee table based on type/
>>>>> size.
>>>>> Donors/Sponsors is unstructured and just has categories (the
>>>>> category
>>>>> for contributions under $5K would simply be called "Donor", and  
>>>>> the
>>>>> four
>>>>> higher categories would be "Bronze/Silver/Gold/Platinum  
>>>>> Sponsors").
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Currently only Gold and Platinum Sponsors have membership
>>>>> included.
>>>>> If we made the rule that any Donor or Sponsor whose contribution
>>>>> is at
>>>>> least 25% greater than their membership fee shall have their
>>>>> membership
>>>>> included, then it would incent all potential Members to become
>>>>> Donors or
>>>>> Sponsors for an incremental contribution. (However it is still an
>>>>> option
>>>>> for a company/org to be a Donor/Sponsor and decline membership.)
>>>>>
>>>>> If these revisions make sense I'm happy to help with wording
>>>>> edits if
>>>>> David wants to add =drummond to the wiki.
>>>>>
>>>>> =Drummond
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: board-bounces at openid.net [mailto:board- 
>>>>> bounces at openid.net] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Dick Hardt
>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 1:20 PM
>>>>> To: board at openid.net
>>>>> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] Funding Proposal
>>>>>
>>>>> Nicely done Artur, Bill and David.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm supportive of floating this proposal out to the Community  
>>>>> where
>>>>> pay-to-play happens at the membership level rather then the board
>>>>> level.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note the attached charter was an old copy as I was not listed as a
>>>>> board
>>>>> member in the copy you sent out to the board.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Dick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9-Apr-07, at 12:44 PM, Recordon, David wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>> This morning Bill, Artur, and I finally got a chance to sit down
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> put together another funding proposal for the organization.  This
>>>>>> document was based upon the approach Dick proposed [1] as well as
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> OCO Charter sent to the general@ list [2].
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Certainly looking for feedback and thoughts, happy to give others
>>>>>> editing rights on the wiki page if you send me your OpenID.  Once
>>>>>> again, sorry for how long this took us to take on this work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://daveman692.schtuff.com/oidf_proposal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --David
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] http://openid.net/pipermail/board/2007-March/000071.html
>>>>>> [2] http://openid.net/pipermail/general/2007-February/001550.html
>>>>>> (charter attached since it seems it wasn't archived) <OpenID
>>>>>> Foundation Charter.txt>
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