[OpenID board] Funding Proposal

Artur Bergman sky at crucially.net
Mon Apr 9 23:23:24 UTC 2007


I guess my one thought would be, would a small company be likely to  
consider donating such large amounts?

On Apr 9, 2007, at 4:16 PM, Dick Hardt wrote:

> Note it is a much bigger incentive for a large company ($10K) vs a
> smaller company ($1K)
> That is a distortion that I think we should avoid.
>
> -- Dick
>
> On 9-Apr-07, at 4:11 PM, Artur Bergman wrote:
>
>> I would agree in general  with Dick. Membership is a cost of doing
>> business while sponsorship is more fuzzy marketing and feelgood. I
>> not entirely convinced about the gold and platinum levels, since it
>> is an incentive to get them to donate more, but I have no strong
>> opinions either way.
>>
>> Artur
>>
>> On Apr 9, 2007, at 4:02 PM, Dick Hardt wrote:
>>
>>> I would keep it simple and keep the sponsorship and membership
>>> revenue separated.
>>>
>>> Organizations will have different motivations for each financial
>>> commitment, and it creates an unfair value to larger  
>>> organizations to
>>> combine them.
>>>
>>> -- Dick
>>>
>>> On 9-Apr-07, at 3:58 PM, Recordon, David wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've added you to be able to edit the wiki article.
>>>>
>>>> 1) I don't think there is a problem condensing it into "Members"  
>>>> and
>>>> "Donors/Sponsors".  I think we separated it to really call out the
>>>> difference in this document to how participation is possible.   
>>>> Agree
>>>> though that it may make it easier to understand with Donors and
>>>> Sponsors
>>>> merged into one group.
>>>>
>>>> 2) I'm having a bit of trouble with the math for what you
>>>> proposed.  I
>>>> think in some cases it may incent an additional donation, though in
>>>> the
>>>> case where membership fee is $2,500 a year it gets them membership
>>>> plus
>>>> Bronze sponsorship for only $5,625 which is much lower than the
>>>> currently proposed $7,500.  So really membership (for organizations
>>>> <=1000 employees) turns into 25% of membership fee + Bronze
>>>> sponsorship.
>>>> Thinking (if my math here is right) that it is better to keep it  
>>>> for
>>>> Gold and Platinum to include membership (maybe Silver as well for
>>>> organizations <=1000 employees) both from the financial side and to
>>>> keep
>>>> all the math simple.
>>>>
>>>> My $0.02.
>>>>
>>>> --David
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: board-bounces at openid.net [mailto:board-bounces at openid.net] On
>>>> Behalf Of Drummond Reed
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 3:37 PM
>>>> To: board at openid.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] Funding Proposal
>>>>
>>>> I too agree this is a very good proposal that offers a nice  
>>>> "hybrid"
>>>> model.
>>>> Two suggestions for how to simplify/strengthen it further:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Currently it has three $ categories: donations, members, and
>>>> sponsors. We could simplify it down to two: "Members" and
>>>> "Donors/Sponsors". Members has associated fee table based on type/
>>>> size.
>>>> Donors/Sponsors is unstructured and just has categories (the
>>>> category
>>>> for contributions under $5K would simply be called "Donor", and the
>>>> four
>>>> higher categories would be "Bronze/Silver/Gold/Platinum Sponsors").
>>>>
>>>> 2) Currently only Gold and Platinum Sponsors have membership
>>>> included.
>>>> If we made the rule that any Donor or Sponsor whose contribution
>>>> is at
>>>> least 25% greater than their membership fee shall have their
>>>> membership
>>>> included, then it would incent all potential Members to become
>>>> Donors or
>>>> Sponsors for an incremental contribution. (However it is still an
>>>> option
>>>> for a company/org to be a Donor/Sponsor and decline membership.)
>>>>
>>>> If these revisions make sense I'm happy to help with wording
>>>> edits if
>>>> David wants to add =drummond to the wiki.
>>>>
>>>> =Drummond
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: board-bounces at openid.net [mailto:board-bounces at openid.net] On
>>>> Behalf Of Dick Hardt
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 1:20 PM
>>>> To: board at openid.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] Funding Proposal
>>>>
>>>> Nicely done Artur, Bill and David.
>>>>
>>>> I'm supportive of floating this proposal out to the Community where
>>>> pay-to-play happens at the membership level rather then the board
>>>> level.
>>>>
>>>> Note the attached charter was an old copy as I was not listed as a
>>>> board
>>>> member in the copy you sent out to the board.
>>>>
>>>> -- Dick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9-Apr-07, at 12:44 PM, Recordon, David wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>> This morning Bill, Artur, and I finally got a chance to sit down
>>>>> and
>>>>> put together another funding proposal for the organization.  This
>>>>> document was based upon the approach Dick proposed [1] as well as
>>>>> the
>>>>> OCO Charter sent to the general@ list [2].
>>>>>
>>>>> Certainly looking for feedback and thoughts, happy to give others
>>>>> editing rights on the wiki page if you send me your OpenID.  Once
>>>>> again, sorry for how long this took us to take on this work.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://daveman692.schtuff.com/oidf_proposal
>>>>>
>>>>> --David
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://openid.net/pipermail/board/2007-March/000071.html
>>>>> [2] http://openid.net/pipermail/general/2007-February/001550.html
>>>>> (charter attached since it seems it wasn't archived) <OpenID
>>>>> Foundation Charter.txt>
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