[OpenID board] Funding Proposal

Dick Hardt dick at sxip.com
Mon Apr 9 23:16:12 UTC 2007


Note it is a much bigger incentive for a large company ($10K) vs a  
smaller company ($1K)
That is a distortion that I think we should avoid.

-- Dick

On 9-Apr-07, at 4:11 PM, Artur Bergman wrote:

> I would agree in general  with Dick. Membership is a cost of doing
> business while sponsorship is more fuzzy marketing and feelgood. I
> not entirely convinced about the gold and platinum levels, since it
> is an incentive to get them to donate more, but I have no strong
> opinions either way.
>
> Artur
>
> On Apr 9, 2007, at 4:02 PM, Dick Hardt wrote:
>
>> I would keep it simple and keep the sponsorship and membership
>> revenue separated.
>>
>> Organizations will have different motivations for each financial
>> commitment, and it creates an unfair value to larger organizations to
>> combine them.
>>
>> -- Dick
>>
>> On 9-Apr-07, at 3:58 PM, Recordon, David wrote:
>>
>>> I've added you to be able to edit the wiki article.
>>>
>>> 1) I don't think there is a problem condensing it into "Members" and
>>> "Donors/Sponsors".  I think we separated it to really call out the
>>> difference in this document to how participation is possible.  Agree
>>> though that it may make it easier to understand with Donors and
>>> Sponsors
>>> merged into one group.
>>>
>>> 2) I'm having a bit of trouble with the math for what you
>>> proposed.  I
>>> think in some cases it may incent an additional donation, though in
>>> the
>>> case where membership fee is $2,500 a year it gets them membership
>>> plus
>>> Bronze sponsorship for only $5,625 which is much lower than the
>>> currently proposed $7,500.  So really membership (for organizations
>>> <=1000 employees) turns into 25% of membership fee + Bronze
>>> sponsorship.
>>> Thinking (if my math here is right) that it is better to keep it for
>>> Gold and Platinum to include membership (maybe Silver as well for
>>> organizations <=1000 employees) both from the financial side and to
>>> keep
>>> all the math simple.
>>>
>>> My $0.02.
>>>
>>> --David
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: board-bounces at openid.net [mailto:board-bounces at openid.net] On
>>> Behalf Of Drummond Reed
>>> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 3:37 PM
>>> To: board at openid.net
>>> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] Funding Proposal
>>>
>>> I too agree this is a very good proposal that offers a nice "hybrid"
>>> model.
>>> Two suggestions for how to simplify/strengthen it further:
>>>
>>> 1) Currently it has three $ categories: donations, members, and
>>> sponsors. We could simplify it down to two: "Members" and
>>> "Donors/Sponsors". Members has associated fee table based on type/
>>> size.
>>> Donors/Sponsors is unstructured and just has categories (the  
>>> category
>>> for contributions under $5K would simply be called "Donor", and the
>>> four
>>> higher categories would be "Bronze/Silver/Gold/Platinum Sponsors").
>>>
>>> 2) Currently only Gold and Platinum Sponsors have membership
>>> included.
>>> If we made the rule that any Donor or Sponsor whose contribution
>>> is at
>>> least 25% greater than their membership fee shall have their
>>> membership
>>> included, then it would incent all potential Members to become
>>> Donors or
>>> Sponsors for an incremental contribution. (However it is still an
>>> option
>>> for a company/org to be a Donor/Sponsor and decline membership.)
>>>
>>> If these revisions make sense I'm happy to help with wording  
>>> edits if
>>> David wants to add =drummond to the wiki.
>>>
>>> =Drummond
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: board-bounces at openid.net [mailto:board-bounces at openid.net] On
>>> Behalf Of Dick Hardt
>>> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 1:20 PM
>>> To: board at openid.net
>>> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] Funding Proposal
>>>
>>> Nicely done Artur, Bill and David.
>>>
>>> I'm supportive of floating this proposal out to the Community where
>>> pay-to-play happens at the membership level rather then the board
>>> level.
>>>
>>> Note the attached charter was an old copy as I was not listed as a
>>> board
>>> member in the copy you sent out to the board.
>>>
>>> -- Dick
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9-Apr-07, at 12:44 PM, Recordon, David wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey all,
>>>> This morning Bill, Artur, and I finally got a chance to sit down  
>>>> and
>>>> put together another funding proposal for the organization.  This
>>>> document was based upon the approach Dick proposed [1] as well as
>>>> the
>>>> OCO Charter sent to the general@ list [2].
>>>>
>>>> Certainly looking for feedback and thoughts, happy to give others
>>>> editing rights on the wiki page if you send me your OpenID.  Once
>>>> again, sorry for how long this took us to take on this work.
>>>>
>>>> http://daveman692.schtuff.com/oidf_proposal
>>>>
>>>> --David
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://openid.net/pipermail/board/2007-March/000071.html
>>>> [2] http://openid.net/pipermail/general/2007-February/001550.html
>>>> (charter attached since it seems it wasn't archived) <OpenID
>>>> Foundation Charter.txt>
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