[OpenID board] Further discussion ...

Dick Hardt dick at sxip.com
Sat Apr 7 00:57:50 UTC 2007


The board had been presented with a proposal two weeks earlier. You  
had requested time to put together an alternative proposal, which in  
and of itself thwarts the process.


Since it appears you are missing the bigger point I was making, I  
will clarify.

We cancelled our board meeting last week as there had been no  
progress on the alternative proposal.

The agenda item for the last meeting was to decide on how to proceed.  
Emails had been sent prior asking if there was an alternative  
proposal to review prior to the meeting.

In summary, there was lots of notice that the board was going to make  
a decision. The board should be able to operate without you present.

 From what I read below, you effectively vetoed the board decision,  
and Bill and Scott decided in the interest of harmony to appease you.

-- Dick

On 6-Apr-07, at 2:28 PM, Recordon, David wrote:

> Dick,
> I certainly can understand your frustration in this matter and I do  
> not
> believe anyone had any intention of making you feel as if your time  
> was
> wasted.
> If I had known I had to send a formal request to the board list
> requesting an extension then I certainly would have, though I guess I
> hoped that the work Bill had been posting would have showed some
> progress being made.  While Drummond, Artur, or myself not being  
> able to
> attend the meeting yesterday is certainly no excuse for holding up  
> work,
> I would also have hoped that those present would have taken this  
> ongoing
> task into account and not made a decision given the importance and
> impact of these proposals.
> With that said, when speaking with Scott and Bill yesterday I  
> expressed
> my desire to not be listed as being in support of the current proposal
> when sent to the general@ list.  From this, the conversation  
> shifted to
> the reality that Bill and I could meet face-to-face on Monday  
> morning to
> draft an alternative proposal for the board to review.  I think
> considering the few days this may slow us down, it was agreed to on  
> the
> phone that it would be a worthwhile exercise.
> --David
> -----Original Message-----
> From: board-bounces at openid.net [mailto:board-bounces at openid.net] On
> Behalf Of Dick Hardt
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:46 PM
> To: board at openid.net
> Subject: Re: [OpenID board] Further discussion ...
> While I was not a party to the telephone call with David and I respect
> and will stand behind Bill and Scott's decision to change plans, I am
> concerned about the organization operating according to standard
> organizational process.
> 1) A bylaws committee was nominated and empowered to put together a
> proposal for bylaws. Discussion points were presented (Feb 22) and
> feedback was conducted with the board, and a proposal was drafted and
> presented (Mar 14). There was no explicit decision from the board  
> about
> what was wrong with the proposal. A new committee was formed though to
> create an alternative proposal, rather then working within the  
> existing
> committee. As the leader of the original committee, I question if the
> committee was truly empowered and if my time was wasted creating the
> original proposal.
> 2) The board made a decision (April 5) on how to move forward with the
> proposal. All board members were aware of the proposal. The agenda for
> the meeting clearly stated the board was going to deal with the issue.
> No alternative proposal had been provided, although two weeks had
> elapsed. No request had been made to extend the time to create an
> alternative proposal. The board looked at all available information  
> and
> made a decision. This decision is now being changed.
> I'm assuming there was some extraordinary new information that led  
> Scott
> and Bill to change the decision after talking to David.
> David: would you be able to share with the rest of the board why the
> board decision should be changed?
> If we are going to be able to move forward as a board, we need to
> empower committees to do tasks, and we need to make good decisions  
> with
> available information and execute on them.
> -- Dick
> On 5-Apr-07, at 6:52 PM, Scott Kveton wrote:
>> Hi Everybody,
>> Bill and I had a discussion with David about our plans moving forward
>> and the proposal that Dick and I are putting forward.  David and Bill
>> are going to meet on Monday to talk over their donation-only model  
>> and
>> get a proposal out to the list by Tuesday at the latest.  In light of
>> David being out for the last week, I'm all for this.
>> I'd like us to compare/contrast the two proposals on Tuesday -
>> Thursday and have any final discussion on our call next Thursday.  We
>> could then put it to a vote of the board unless we find some middle
>> ground that everyone can agree on.  Ideally we'd announce the  
>> proposed
>> structure to the General list on Monday of Web 2.0 Expo and offer the
>> chance for people in town to meet with the board members that are
>> present to talk about the why and how of the proposal we put forward.
>> Again, I'd like to reiterate, I'm most interested in a solution that
>> is sustainable and palatable by the OpenID community.  The sooner we
>> find that solution, the better off we're going to be as a community.
>> Thoughts/comments/concerns?
>> - Scott
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